Place to do an IPC in a jet simulator?
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Place to do an IPC in a jet simulator?
I've been out of flying for a long time. I have prior jet SIC time. Just finished a BFR at a local flight school and I need an Instrument Proficiency Check and I'd like to do it in a jet sim to help me get an evaluation of my flying skills and determine if I need additional training before I go to a regional.
I spoke to Flight Safety and he's going to talk to his supervisor about it, but he told me it will be several thousand dollars. I basically want to pay for a couple hours in a jet sim doing instrument approaches, holds and other procedures. Don't need systems training or any aircraft specific training.
Know of anywhere I could do this? Thanks.
I spoke to Flight Safety and he's going to talk to his supervisor about it, but he told me it will be several thousand dollars. I basically want to pay for a couple hours in a jet sim doing instrument approaches, holds and other procedures. Don't need systems training or any aircraft specific training.
Know of anywhere I could do this? Thanks.
#2
I've been out of flying for a long time. I have prior jet SIC time. Just finished a BFR at a local flight school and I need an Instrument Proficiency Check and I'd like to do it in a jet sim to help me get an evaluation of my flying skills and determine if I need additional training before I go to a regional.
I spoke to Flight Safety and he's going to talk to his supervisor about it, but he told me it will be several thousand dollars. I basically want to pay for a couple hours in a jet sim doing instrument approaches, holds and other procedures. Don't need systems training or any aircraft specific training.
Know of anywhere I could do this? Thanks.
I spoke to Flight Safety and he's going to talk to his supervisor about it, but he told me it will be several thousand dollars. I basically want to pay for a couple hours in a jet sim doing instrument approaches, holds and other procedures. Don't need systems training or any aircraft specific training.
Know of anywhere I could do this? Thanks.
Then see where you stand.
Joe
#3
That^^^
A full motion simulator for an instrument refresher seems like overkill. Get the right simulator program and you can set it to emulate any plane you want, even an old steam gauge 727. I’d recommend AGAINST you emulating the aircraft you’ll be going into though. Let the company instructors teach you their way.
Realize that while you may be out of date, many of your fellows in indoc will have less than 50 hours of ME and less than 1500 total time.
A full motion simulator for an instrument refresher seems like overkill. Get the right simulator program and you can set it to emulate any plane you want, even an old steam gauge 727. I’d recommend AGAINST you emulating the aircraft you’ll be going into though. Let the company instructors teach you their way.
Realize that while you may be out of date, many of your fellows in indoc will have less than 50 hours of ME and less than 1500 total time.
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That^^^
A full motion simulator for an instrument refresher seems like overkill. Get the right simulator program and you can set it to emulate any plane you want, even an old steam gauge 727. I’d recommend AGAINST you emulating the aircraft you’ll be going into though. Let the company instructors teach you their way.
Realize that while you may be out of date, many of your fellows in indoc will have less than 50 hours of ME and less than 1500 total time.
A full motion simulator for an instrument refresher seems like overkill. Get the right simulator program and you can set it to emulate any plane you want, even an old steam gauge 727. I’d recommend AGAINST you emulating the aircraft you’ll be going into though. Let the company instructors teach you their way.
Realize that while you may be out of date, many of your fellows in indoc will have less than 50 hours of ME and less than 1500 total time.
#5
Yeah, don't get carried away and waste money.
You'll have plenty of MFTD (non-motion sim) practice before you have to do motion at a regional.
You'll have plenty of MFTD (non-motion sim) practice before you have to do motion at a regional.
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Thanks for the advice guys.
I'm basing this on my first Part 121 job. I got the interview and they told me there was a B727 sim as part of the interview. So I contacted AA and bought a one hour sim session the day before the interview for $6oo. I had never flown anything bigger than a King Air before, so when I got into the sim (at 2:00 am the night before the interview) I was 5 miles behind the aircraft. The speed and feel was so new to me that I was absolutely lost for the first half hour. After the instructor gave me some tips and good instruction, I was able to fly the last half hour okay.
The next day for the sim ride after the interview, I did fine. Only a couple guys that interviewed when I did were hired also, and they all had jet time, so it was a good investment to buy that one hour of sim time.
I kind of feel like I'm in the same situation as back then.
I'm basing this on my first Part 121 job. I got the interview and they told me there was a B727 sim as part of the interview. So I contacted AA and bought a one hour sim session the day before the interview for $6oo. I had never flown anything bigger than a King Air before, so when I got into the sim (at 2:00 am the night before the interview) I was 5 miles behind the aircraft. The speed and feel was so new to me that I was absolutely lost for the first half hour. After the instructor gave me some tips and good instruction, I was able to fly the last half hour okay.
The next day for the sim ride after the interview, I did fine. Only a couple guys that interviewed when I did were hired also, and they all had jet time, so it was a good investment to buy that one hour of sim time.
I kind of feel like I'm in the same situation as back then.
#8
Except you are not. Numerous people will pass the interview with numbers that look like this:
Cessna 150/152 350 hours
Cessna 172 650 hours
PIPER PA-28 140 320 hours
PIPER PA-28 180 100 hours
Piper PA-24. 20 hours
Aeronca Champ 30 hours
Piper Seneca. 25.1 hours
Approach speeds in stuff you've already flown probably exceed VNE for everything except perhaps the Comanche and the Seneca. Probably even them.
And the regional will be glad to get them.
Cessna 150/152 350 hours
Cessna 172 650 hours
PIPER PA-28 140 320 hours
PIPER PA-28 180 100 hours
Piper PA-24. 20 hours
Aeronca Champ 30 hours
Piper Seneca. 25.1 hours
Approach speeds in stuff you've already flown probably exceed VNE for everything except perhaps the Comanche and the Seneca. Probably even them.
And the regional will be glad to get them.
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Except you are not. Numerous people will pass the interview with numbers that look like this:
Cessna 150/152 350 hours
Cessna 172 650 hours
PIPER PA-28 140 320 hours
PIPER PA-28 180 100 hours
Piper PA-24. 20 hours
Aeronca Champ 30 hours
Piper Seneca. 25.1 hours
Approach speeds in stuff you've already flown probably exceed VNE for everything except perhaps the Comanche and the Seneca. Probably even them.
And the regional will be glad to get them.
Cessna 150/152 350 hours
Cessna 172 650 hours
PIPER PA-28 140 320 hours
PIPER PA-28 180 100 hours
Piper PA-24. 20 hours
Aeronca Champ 30 hours
Piper Seneca. 25.1 hours
Approach speeds in stuff you've already flown probably exceed VNE for everything except perhaps the Comanche and the Seneca. Probably even them.
And the regional will be glad to get them.
#10
Also few or no regionals do sim checks on the interview anymore.
If you're applying to one that does, it would be a good idea to get some targeted prep in the type of sim they use. There's usually somebody who provides that service. But again I don't know if they even bother anymore... if you need extra sim time in training they'll provide it, in the past they didn't want that expense.
If you're applying to one that does, it would be a good idea to get some targeted prep in the type of sim they use. There's usually somebody who provides that service. But again I don't know if they even bother anymore... if you need extra sim time in training they'll provide it, in the past they didn't want that expense.
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