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Old 05-01-2019, 07:52 AM
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Hi guys, has anyone heard good (or bad) things about Phoenix East Aviation or American Flyers? I am looking to go to a part 141 school to accelerate my training. I would be starting from 0 hours. My end goal is to get in with the majors. My plan is to go to a 141 school, get all of my ratings and then find work as a cfi. In the meantime while I build hours as a cfi I would work towards my bachelors degree online (making me eligible for the majors) Does anyone see a hole or problem with this plan? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Also what are ones opinions on starting at a regional before the majors? The sign on bonuses look very appealing. My only worry is would it slow down my progress into getting into the majors?
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Hi guys, has anyone heard good (or bad) things about Phoenix East Aviation or American Flyers? I am looking to go to a part 141 school to accelerate my training. I would be starting from 0 hours. My end goal is to get in with the majors. My plan is to go to a 141 school, get all of my ratings and then find work as a cfi. In the meantime while I build hours as a cfi I would work towards my bachelors degree online (making me eligible for the majors) Does anyone see a hole or problem with this plan? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Also what are ones opinions on starting at a regional before the majors? The sign on bonuses look very appealing. My only worry is would it slow down my progress into getting into the majors?


Haven’t looked into Phoenix but I’ve heard good things about American Flyers. You’ll be paying a pretty penny compared to your local fbo due to that premium of getting all your ratings quickly. Getting on with a regional would get you a line number, all about seniority. Your plan is solid, just like most people. It’ll take time and money but if you’ve got both you’ll be fine. Just stick with it. I’m at my local fbo paying under $50k for all my ratings through MEI. Just takes longer and I’m not taking out a large loan.


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Hi guys, has anyone heard good (or bad) things about Phoenix East Aviation or American Flyers? I am looking to go to a part 141 school to accelerate my training. I would be starting from 0 hours. My end goal is to get in with the majors. My plan is to go to a 141 school, get all of my ratings and then find work as a cfi. In the meantime while I build hours as a cfi I would work towards my bachelors degree online (making me eligible for the majors) Does anyone see a hole or problem with this plan? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Also what are ones opinions on starting at a regional before the majors? The sign on bonuses look very appealing. My only worry is would it slow down my progress into getting into the majors?
Sounds like a solid plan. I'd say that if you want a really solid plan, do it through a mom and pop and save some money (and potentially finish up even quicker)
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You very likely won’t go direct to the “majors” without regional time, that’s one hole.

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You very likely won’t go direct to the “majors” without regional time, that’s one hole.

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Yeah his comment about how “starting at a regional would slow his progress to a major” made me laugh a bit.

I know people on this forum come here because they are new, but I’d like to think starting at the bottom and working your way up isn’t a hard concept to understand.

Starting at the bottom will not slow your progress to the top. It’s the only way to get to the top.
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I have been getting some mixed advice from people I have talked to in the industry. Am I better off getting my Bachelor's degree and then applying directly for the Majors when I reach my required hours? Is that unrealistic? Or am I better off trying to get into the regionals and take advantage of there "flow-through" program? Does anyone have an experience with this? Do the retention contracts prevent you from moving up the ladder sooner, as opposed to applying seperately once I have enough hours and Bachelor's degree?
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One step at a time, please. It’s not a sprint, it’s a 40-year career. I’d work on flight training and some local state college towards the degree, then apply to the regionals once you the 1,500 hours. Getting to 1,500 hours is challenging enough without trying to short cut the process.

Right now, you won’t go from CFI to major without a stop in the regionals or serious 135 time unless you are ex-military.

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I have been getting some mixed advice from people I have talked to in the industry. Am I better off getting my Bachelor's degree and then applying directly for the Majors when I reach my required hours? Is that unrealistic? Or am I better off trying to get into the regionals and take advantage of there "flow-through" program? Does anyone have an experience with this? Do the retention contracts prevent you from moving up the ladder sooner, as opposed to applying seperately once I have enough hours and Bachelor's degree?
For my own sake, I entered the industry without the expectation of getting hired by a major/legacy. Even though it's my ultimate goal, hiring (especially at the legacies) is a total crap shoot, often times with zero logic as to how they pick certain people. That's not to say I'm not working to better myself and my resume- I'm just mentally prepared to put in all the work and not have it pay off with a legacy job

If you are not a military pilot, working at the regionals and a bachelor's are both essentially required
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I appreciate the advice. Thank you guys.
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