Logging time
06-02-2007, 07:15 PM
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Logging time
Ok so my buddy and I are splitting multi time just to build up the time in the log book. question is. If one of us in flying with the foggles and the other is acting as Saftey pilot, we enter into IMC. Is the pilot in the left seat then the only one that can log actual time while the other has to sit and wait for VFR conditions and the foggles to go back on. What if I just leave the foggles on during IMC. I told him that two pilots cannot log actual time at the same time.
06-02-2007, 07:26 PM
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Cut straight from FAR 61:
If you aren't flying, you aren't loggin it 
(g) Logging instrument flight time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.
06-02-2007, 09:25 PM
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Thats interesting I was told the exact opposite by a few different flight instructors. I havent had the opportunity to log actual while time splitting but I was told both were able. I guess I should pull out the good ole far/aim and have a look.
06-02-2007, 09:28 PM
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Safety pilot time is a real gray area with the airlines and FAA. Some airlines accept it, some take a part of the time, and some don't accept it. Depending on where you are, the FAA may or may not agree with your interpretation of the rules.
06-03-2007, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FlywithStyle
Ok so my buddy and I are splitting multi time just to build up the time in the log book. question is. If one of us in flying with the foggles and the other is acting as Saftey pilot, we enter into IMC. Is the pilot in the left seat then the only one that can log actual time while the other has to sit and wait for VFR conditions and the foggles to go back on. What if I just leave the foggles on during IMC. I told him that two pilots cannot log actual time at the same time.
06-03-2007, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TXav8r13
If you’re trying to build up time for an airline, most of the time they will only take 10% of your time as safety pilot.
Obviously if they have a choice between two applicants with equal everything, except one has 200 hours of MEI time and the other has 200 hours of Hood/SP time they will hire the MEI. In todays environment, they will hire both of you.
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06-03-2007, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the King
Safety pilot time is a real gray area with the airlines and FAA. Some airlines accept it, some take a part of the time, and some don't accept it. Depending on where you are, the FAA may or may not agree with your interpretation of the rules.
However if you enter IMC, the SP is no longer a "required crew member" so he cannot log SP time while in IMC. The PRACTICAL application of this is: Neither pilot should LOG any IMC while on a hood/SP flight. If you do, the SP has to reduce his logged time by an amount equal to the logged IMC. Hopefully you catch my drift here
06-03-2007, 08:40 AM
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Not only can the safety pilot not log time as IMC if under IMC, he/she cannot log ANY time. What if the pilot keeps the foggles on while under IMC? This doesn't matter. Safety pilot's are referenced under 91.109, which is *simulated* instrument flight rules. In actual, you don't need a safety pilot, and therefore the safety pilot can't log time.
It makes sense, right? The safety pilot's purpose is to make sure that you don't hit other airplanes. What are they doing if you're in IMC? Nothing, so why should they log time?
It makes sense, right? The safety pilot's purpose is to make sure that you don't hit other airplanes. What are they doing if you're in IMC? Nothing, so why should they log time?
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