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Old 04-02-2006, 07:19 PM   #1  
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A few and quick questions for all of the FAR pros.

1.) You have a Piston Aircraft less the 12,500 lbs (A Piper Chieftain// 7,000 lbs)
2.) It is with a Part 135 Cargo Company///Aircraft
3.) You are a MEI
4.) You work a deal out with someone to ride in the right seat in that aircraft for a few hours.

Can you legally log that time as PIC or Dual Given?

Or since it is Part 135 operation, only one person can log the time?

How would you log it, so when it come up in a interview, you will not be screwed?

Please give me your take on what YOU would do also.
Old 04-03-2006, 12:11 PM   #2  
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We went over this question pretty thoroughly in a thread called "commercial checkride" in the Flight Training section.

To cut to the chase you can't log it. There was a part 91 accident recently in which an MEI was in the right seat of a light twin supposedly giving "instruction" to the pilot/owner. In fact he was time building. The FAA pulled his certificates and violated him (and the pilot/owner). The FAA ruled that to log PIC time he had to be giving instuction. If the owner had come to him and asked for dual to improve his skills in some way or to meet some currency requirement, fine. But the MEI solicited the owner to fly right seat and "we'll just call it dual". That's a no-no.

Second, if the flight was a part 135 flight you would need to meet the requirements of part 135 to act as PIC on the flight. You would also have to be authorized under part 135 to give instruction. Frankly you are nothing more than a passenger. I have unlogged right seat time in a KingAir 100. It was great fun, but from a loggable time standpoint, worthless.

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Old 04-03-2006, 12:54 PM   #3  
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You are either 135 (given a 135 ride by the feds or company check airman) or not and not legal to fly or even touch the controls on a 135 flight much less log it. Our poi would not even let us conduct training if there was any freight on board. If the airplane is empty (for repositioning) it could be a 91 flight.
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Old 04-04-2006, 12:05 AM   #4  
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You can't log PIC under 135 unless you've taken a 135 checkride. You can't log instruction time unless you're a company checkairman with a letter of authorization that is a written request from your DO of the 135 to the 135's POI.

I think bent rules will end up biting you in the butt in an interview. Log what's really right. If you're the captain log it; if you're the captain's buddy along for a ride, consider it a good experience and a free ride...that's it.

I would rather talk about my qualifications and how I can benefit a company's operation than be grilled about FAR part 61 and 1 rules for logging flight time.

And really I don't think anyone has gotten or lost a job over a couple of hours of flight time.
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Old 04-17-2015, 10:50 AM   #5  
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I understand if you are not allowed to log PIC, and dual received on the 135 flights. A different scenario: you are riding in a jet, as 'SIC', in a single-pilot airplane. Can you log dual received on the 91 legs only? Or is it OK on the 135 legs as well?
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If you're not checked out with the company under 135 you can't do a single thing other than be a passenger.

If you are checked out you log the time appropriate to the position.

Part 91 you can theoretically log everything you fly as sole manipulator or under any of the "loopholes".
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Old 04-17-2015, 09:25 PM   #8  
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Something about picking fly poop out of pepper comes to mind. None of this will make the slightest difference about whether or not you get hired anywhere.
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