keiundraj

In a short time from now someone will comment on my time. Ok I got 125.3 hours, just got my instrument rating today. I don't know everything, all i'm saying ATP is a good place to go, a good place to get your CFIs. Do what you want to do and don't listen to this MESS on this Forum!

coldpilot

I never said that I went through a fast track program. You sure do like to interpret posts incorrectly don't you? All I'm saying is you are doing yourself and your students an injustice by going though and just doing rote memorization. Anyway how would you know what it takes to teach? I doubt you hold a CFI certificate with your 160 hours or whatever it is, even under 141 I find it impossible. Maybe once you get your CFI in 15 days then you have a student try to kill you because you can't teach them effectively you'll realize that you only sold yourself short by not learning how to teach properly. Or maybe I should just listen to you, since I don't know anything . After all you do go to ATP.

keiundraj

Told you someone would mention my Time LOL.....
Sir you said I was just saying you must have been through a Fast track program to know that you just memorize the books????? Again in this post you said, Again you have exprience at going through 15day CFI programs?? You can go to CFI school a year or 25years and can't teach effectively!!! I haven't read any NTSB reports about a 15day CFI being killed by his first student because he couldn't teach effectively!????

coldpilot

What I am saying is that you can't learn how to teach effectively in 15 days! It can't be done! What someone can easily do is reach the rote memorization level in 15 days but to reach the higher levels of learning like application and correlation it takes time and practice. Please learn how to read and understand what you read and stop putting words into posts. No I did not go to a 15 day program. Why would I with how I feel about them? That should be clear. I also never said that you would be killed, I said TRY to kill you. Every student will try to kill you when you least expect it, right when you let your guard up just a little. With a 15 day CFI chances are they can't communicate what they are teaching effectively. People learn many different ways and it takes time to develop the skills to be able to adjust your style to teach many different kinds of people. You just can't devlop those kind of skills in 15 days. Now does are CFIs that took longer perfect, of course not. What new CFI is perfect? However, they have spent more time refining those skills and chances are their instructor has played many different "student" personalities to help develop those skills.

keiundraj

You're saying you've never been to a 15day CFI school, but you're still comment on what can't happen!!!
What new CFI is Perfect? According to you the ones who go to schools for 5years? You don't get the picture.... You do the same in 15days at ATP that you do at a 141 University in a Semester.... Example; my flight buddy who's going for his Instrument tomorrow, just came here from a 141 university, took the Instrument for a semester and had 5hrs of flight time. Came here he said He's learned more about instument flying than he ever did at the 141 school (in 28days!!!!) I wish you'd get a CLUE before you speak on things!!!

coldpilot

I wish you wouldn't get so defensive and upset and have an adult conversation. I also wish you would stop inserting words into my posts. I never said that a CFI had to take 5 years to learn how to teach effectively. I just said it can't be done in 15 days. Yeah you may have a certificate but I can guarantee you can't teach effectively to most students out there. As I said before people learn differently and it takes time to develop the skills to teach many people effectively. I would love to sit in the back on one of these wonder ATP 15 day CFIs during thier first hour of dual given. Especially with a student like my first student. It would be fun to watch them squirm because they would have a tough time teaching that student. I sir also wich you would get a CLUE before speaking out on flight instructing (read: get a CFI certificate and some dual given before you talk like you know it all).

keiundraj

I'm not upset, defensive yes. I get so aggravated when people comment on things they have no clue about. You probably would get something out of ATPs 15day CFI school.

Well I don't know how much time you're saying you need to go to CFI school before you can be proficient so I just put a number on it, maybe I exaggerated? :-)

coldpilot

Please read the last sentence of my previous post about getting a clue. You may want to look in the mirror. I find it rather offensive that you say I would get something out of ATPs 15 day CFI school. That shows some character right there. Yes you did exaggerate, you do quite frequently. Just some advice, not ripping on you by any means, but you may want to take a few minutes after you read a post and put together a logical and educated reply rather than getting defensive. One reason so many people on the boards bash on your posts is because you get defensive very easily and have a snap reaction. Put together a post having an adult conversation and you might get a bit more respect. Oh yeah, congrats on the instrument rating, just don't go kill yourself with it now.

keiundraj

[quote=coldpilot;182103Oh yeah, congrats on the instrument rating, just don't go kill yourself with it now.[/quote]

Thanks I'll try not to kill myself..... After all I was taught by one of those 15day instructors.

I didn't mean to offend you, I was serious, the 15day CFI school is taught by a guy who had a hand in writing every FAR you know and the AIM. Can recite Part, Subpart, Section, page number of every Reg off the top of his head. From what I've heard he's almost Too smart. I just don't think people can judge a school from the outside looking in. For my instrument I flew the same amount of hours the people from 141 schools do. Flew the same amount of Sim time, did ground school for at least 3hours each day. The reason I got my Instrument ticket in 28days? I spent 10hours at Least a day for 28 straight days...... 280total hours to get my ticket.... That's why it works?? Understand

coldpilot

I understand how it works. A big problem with the fast track programs is you go through the motions so quickly it doesn't give the student time to reflect on what they are doing and realize why they are doing what they are doing in the airplane. Students need time to absorb concepts and the material. You may be immersed in it all the time but I think that your time could be spent better sitting at home and taking a day or so between flights and doing some chair flying and taking time to reflect on your performance in the airplane. When I was working on my instrument rating I did a lot of chair flying, not at home in a chair but more so walking around and driving, just running procedures through my head. What I would do when I was getting ready to leave for the airport is I would think about every little thing I was going to do procedures wise for shooting an approach. I would think about the briefing, descent checklists, speeds, descent profiles for the approach, etc. You name it I was thinking of it. I did the same thing after the flight on my way home as a self critique of what I could have done better. I found this helped significantly. The key point that I am trying to get across is that it takes time to learn. It doesn't matter if you are learning how to teach so you can get your CFI or you are learning IFR procedures and regulations, it just takes time.