Complex time and PIC
10-23-2007 | 08:27 PM
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"We log the BFR as PIC and either get a signoff or don't."
However, the BFR is normally done under visual conditions, while under a hood. The instructor counts as a safety pilot, and you don't need to be instrument current (or even rated) to log PIC under the hood while in VMC with a safety pilot.
In fact, if the right seat is occupied by a CFI, you can even be IMC on a flight plan. I logged many hours of PIC actual time while dual with my instructor working on my instrument rating.
As for the complex thing, I agree with the above, it sounds as if there may be a loophole, but I wouldn't push it. NE_pilot, your interpretation makes the most sense, thanks.
However, the BFR is normally done under visual conditions, while under a hood. The instructor counts as a safety pilot, and you don't need to be instrument current (or even rated) to log PIC under the hood while in VMC with a safety pilot.
In fact, if the right seat is occupied by a CFI, you can even be IMC on a flight plan. I logged many hours of PIC actual time while dual with my instructor working on my instrument rating.
As for the complex thing, I agree with the above, it sounds as if there may be a loophole, but I wouldn't push it. NE_pilot, your interpretation makes the most sense, thanks.
11-09-2007 | 03:41 PM
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I don't think you're right NE... the student, even if a Private pilot, can't take the plane up solo if they wanted to because they are not rated to. Just like a pvt pilot can't go IFR solo without their their instrument RATING. It's the same difference. So logging PIC in a plane that you can't fly solo in because you're not rated to just because there is an instructor along isn't right.
When I flew in an extra 300 I didn't log PIC. I had HP and my pvt but it's a tail dragger and I wasn't rated to fly it so I can't be PIC period.
When I flew in an extra 300 I didn't log PIC. I had HP and my pvt but it's a tail dragger and I wasn't rated to fly it so I can't be PIC period.
11-09-2007 | 04:42 PM
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I don't think you're right NE... the student, even if a Private pilot, can't take the plane up solo if they wanted to because they are not rated to. Just like a pvt pilot can't go IFR solo without their their instrument RATING. It's the same difference. So logging PIC in a plane that you can't fly solo in because you're not rated to just because there is an instructor along isn't right.
When I flew in an extra 300 I didn't log PIC. I had HP and my pvt but it's a tail dragger and I wasn't rated to fly it so I can't be PIC period.
When I flew in an extra 300 I didn't log PIC. I had HP and my pvt but it's a tail dragger and I wasn't rated to fly it so I can't be PIC period.
If you logged PIC while in IMC during Instrument training, then you did the same thing as logging PIC while in a taildragger/complex/high performance SEL aircraft during training.
This obviously does not apply to flying a MEL without a multi rating while receiving instruction.
I will reference you back to the article:
A private or commercial pilot may log PIC time if that person is "the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated" [61.51 (e)(1)(i)]
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