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Old 12-25-2007, 02:53 AM
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i did..
private sel, private mel, instrument (in the twin), commercial multi, commercial single, mei, cfi, cfii

My rationale was that if I did the private multi after my single than all the hours in the twin would be PIC. The reason for doing all of the intitial ratings in the twin is because i needed to fly those hours anyway so I may as well build quality multi time while doing it. I finished all my ratings with a little over 100 multi pic and alot of that being solo XC and IFR.

To each is own as far as ratings go and my way was not the most economical but I got a really great deal on the twin, had a good portion payed by the gi bill and did not have to buy a block of multi time or pay a survey company to let me fly.

I have a lot of posts on here on how I did the training if you are interested just do a search or ask me.
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Old 12-25-2007, 07:50 AM
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its not PIC until you're rated in the aircraft category/class right?
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by patton33 View Post
its not PIC until you're rated in the aircraft category/class right?
That's not correct, it's PIC when any time you are not taking dual instruction and you are flying the airplane and authorized to do so, such as when signed off to perfrom a cross country, also including a certain loophole which applies to flying as safety pilot for instrument students. Think about it this way: if you are doing your solo cross countries you do not have your private certificate yet, but you are flying alone is there no one acting as PIC onboard? I hope there is.

Another distinction to make is private pilot, commercial pilot, certified flight instructor, and airline transport pilot are certificates, whereas an instrument ticket, multiengine ticket, and type-ratings are ratings. Note that some ratings are not required to fly that airplane and some are. For example, any private pilot can hop in a C172 or a Piper Arrow and fly, but a private pilot cannot hop into a very light jet and fly that aircraft because it requires a type rating.

Some aviation credentials are handled as endorsements, such as the tailwheel, high performance, complex retractable, and high altitude endorsements.

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Old 12-25-2007, 12:18 PM
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right,

to elaborate what i was saying though in regards to the "i did my multi next so that it was all PIC" wouldn't that time in the twin only be dual given until at least a pvt MEL was held?
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Old 12-25-2007, 04:47 PM
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correct. until you have your pvt. multi, you CANNOT log ME PIC time unless you are solo. Once you get pvt multi, it will all be PIC from there on out.
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Old 12-25-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver View Post
That's not correct, it's PIC when any time you are not taking dual instruction and you are flying the airplane and authorized to do so, such as when signed off to perfrom a cross country, also including a certain loophole which applies to flying as safety pilot for instrument students. Think about it this way: if you are doing your solo cross countries you do not have your private certificate yet, but you are flying alone is there no one acting as PIC onboard? I hope there is.

Another distinction to make is private pilot, commercial pilot, certified flight instructor, and airline transport pilot are certificates, whereas an instrument ticket, multiengine ticket, and type-ratings are ratings. Note that some ratings are not required to fly that airplane and some are. For example, any private pilot can hop in a C172 or a Piper Arrow and fly, but a private pilot cannot hop into a very light jet and fly that aircraft because it requires a type rating.

Some aviation credentials are handled as endorsements, such as the tailwheel, high performance, complex retractable, and high altitude endorsements.
If the aircraft requires a rating then you CANNOT log PIC unless you have the type.....I think that is what he was trying to say.
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Old 12-26-2007, 09:40 AM
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Cant....stop....beating....dead....horse... :d
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