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Old 01-28-2006, 05:49 PM   #11  
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You don't have to go through freezing hell in the middle of no where and spend thousands and thousands dollars, can't remember how much UND school and flight programs costs but I remember it was expensive, just so you have lowered times to go into American Eagle or Horizon Air. It's not worth it. Go through your college and get your ratings at your local FBO cheap and become a CFI. As a Skywest pilot recruiting rep told me in an e-mail, they don't care where you got your ratings or flying experience, they care about your personality and the interview. There are many flying jobs out there available to anybody not just to UND students.
No one has ever said that there were jobs only for UND grads and UND will cost you no more than going to a local FBO AND you get a college degree at the same time.
 
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You don't have to go through freezing hell in the middle of no where and spend thousands and thousands dollars, can't remember how much UND school and flight programs costs but I remember it was expensive, just so you have lowered times to go into American Eagle or Horizon Air. It's not worth it. Go through your college and get your ratings at your local FBO cheap and become a CFI. As a Skywest pilot recruiting rep told me in an e-mail, they don't care where you got your ratings or flying experience, they care about your personality and the interview. There are many flying jobs out there available to anybody not just to UND students.
Your going to spend 'thousands and thousands of dollars' to earn your certificates and ratings no matter where you do your training. As already stated it is no more expensive to do so at UND then 'at your local FBO cheap'. I'd be more then happy to compare the numbers and refresh your memory. Why do you think the regionals (It's not only Horizon and American Eagle) lower their minimums for UND grads? Evidently those airlines think 'it's worth it.' That Skywest recruiter you talked to via email was probably the same one I talked to in person when they were here this last spring and fall. I'm well aware that to get a job in the industry your degree can be in anything you want and your flight training from anywhere. In fact as it has already been pointed out, one would be best off to major in something other then a strictly aviation degree. Get your facts straight and quit being so naive.

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JMT21, it takes about 45k from Private to Multi Instrument CFI at UND, plus school. It takes about 20K for all the ratings at my FBO excluding the additional hours I have to fly to reach the commercial license requirement of 250 hours. I was accepted into the program for this year but decided not to go when I found that past flight experience and hours do not count toward the UND flight training.
Now that I think back, I am so glad that I didn't go to UND. Can't beat the SOCAL weather, the nice mountains and elevation changes, flying is never boring here.
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"Can't beat the SOCAL weather, the nice mountains and elevation changes, flying is never boring here."

AirWillie where in SoCal are you in? I would give anything to be flying there. I took my private at Sunrise and paid a fortune, so i dont know how you are doing it under 20k.

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JMT21, it takes about 45k from Private to Multi Instrument CFI at UND, plus school. It takes about 20K for all the ratings at my FBO excluding the additional hours I have to fly to reach the commercial license requirement of 250 hours. I was accepted into the program for this year but decided not to go when I found that past flight experience and hours do not count toward the UND flight training.
Now that I think back, I am so glad that I didn't go to UND. Can't beat the SOCAL weather, the nice mountains and elevation changes, flying is never boring here.
If you are going to throw numbers around, compare apples to apples. I paid 36K for ALL of my training through CFII, 198 hours. You are quoting 20K for all your ratings through commercial, but not including the cost of getting to 250 hours AND not earning your CFI and CFII which are the money makers for yourself.

I did all the courses at min times (not bragging just saying, the private course was 40 hours, I took my checkride at 39 hours), it can be done and the atmosphere of flying every day, the resources available (free of course) made it easy to do all this at min times.

I'm sure most of us at/from UND are glad you didn't come. People like you who whine about the price and weather are usually the ones who think just because you showed up for the lesson that it should be complete and whenever you bust a checkride it is because the stage pilot was too tough on you. Grand Forks ND is head and shoulders above SOCAL a better place to be and live.

Past hours do transfer into UND, if you have your tickets already. Otherwise, if you already have 25 or so hours towards your private you should sail through the first course and still be able to complete it close to course mins. It's not UND's rule on the hours not transferring it's 141 rule, and if you had done any research you would know that, or did you expect UND to bend the rules just for you?

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Amen to that. Couldn't have said it better myself. Avbug-you still at UND or have you made the big time at last?
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Amen to that. Couldn't have said it better myself. Avbug-you still at UND or have you made the big time at last?
Graduated UND about 5 years ago, instructed for 3 and now flying all over the world. Wouldn't call it the big time, it is all a matter of perspective. I love my job, love the airplane I fly, the crews and the destinations. I am happy, and thats all that matters. To top it off I can honestly say the discipline and "extra" aviation type knowledge I got from UND has really helped in getting to this point.

Fly safe, and if you run into a couple of instructors (SOLV and KNUD) smack em and tell them its from their best instructor they ever had!
 
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I always enjoy hearing back from UND grads (especially when it's positive things which it usually is) and seeing where they are in the industry. Who do you fly for and what do you fly? (if you don't mind saying) Also, did you do the prof. flight minor, if so what were your major(s)? I kinda which I would have looked more closely at that (I'm commercial and avit management now and considering law school) but I would hate to miss out on a lot of the upper level aviation courses. KNUD plays poker over here about once a week, good guy, I'll give him a smack for you. I heard through the grapevine that SOLV just got hired last week by Horizon to fly the CRJ. Thanks for the quick response and your absolutely right, as long as your happy thats all that matters. I can only hope to find myself in your seat 5 years after graduating.

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AVBUG,

You made some good points, but this
"Grand Forks ND is head and shoulders above SOCAL a better place to be and live."

Is 100%BS, come on man, who are you kidding? Have you lived in SOCAL (not visited, lived)? I have been in GF for two years, and I have not found one thing better here then SOCAL (except I donít have to worry about hitting a mountain when I flying).

GF is a good flight experience, but I would not even consider comparing the two.
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If you are going to throw numbers around, compare apples to apples. I paid 36K for ALL of my training through CFII, 198 hours. You are quoting 20K for all your ratings through commercial, but not including the cost of getting to 250 hours AND not earning your CFI and CFII which are the money makers for yourself. did you expect UND to bend the rules just for you?
The 20k is for all the ratings, including CFI. And why would I expect UND to bend the rules for me? Why are you so hostile man, take it easy, I didn't attack you why are you trying to attack me.
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