Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first time flight instructor app
#11
Thanks for your interpretation, here is mine:
I have placed the applicable regulations that allow me to teach this student in bold.
(h) Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first-time flight instructor applicants. (1) The ground training provided to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must be given by an authorized instructor who—
(i) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, has held that certificate for at least 24 months, and has given at least 40 hours of ground training; or
(ii) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, and has given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course.
(2) Except for an instructor who meets the requirements of paragraph (h)(3)(ii) of this section, a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor; and
(v) For training in preparation for a glider rating, have given at least 80 hours of flight training as a flight instructor.
(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must—
(i) Meet the requirements of paragraph (h)(2) of this section; or
(ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane, a rotorcraft, or for a powered-lift rating; or
(B) Given at least 100 hours of flight training as a flight instructor, for training in a glider rating.
So my interpretation:
I just went from thinking I couldn't to thinking that I could...
I have placed the applicable regulations that allow me to teach this student in bold.
(h) Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first-time flight instructor applicants. (1) The ground training provided to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must be given by an authorized instructor who—
(i) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, has held that certificate for at least 24 months, and has given at least 40 hours of ground training; or
(ii) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, and has given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course.
(2) Except for an instructor who meets the requirements of paragraph (h)(3)(ii) of this section, a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor; and
(v) For training in preparation for a glider rating, have given at least 80 hours of flight training as a flight instructor.
(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must—
(i) Meet the requirements of paragraph (h)(2) of this section; or
(ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane, a rotorcraft, or for a powered-lift rating; or
(B) Given at least 100 hours of flight training as a flight instructor, for training in a glider rating.
So my interpretation:
- I am an authorized instructor
- Hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating
- I have given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course
- I have trained and endorsed at least 5 applicants for a pilot cert. w/ 80% pass rate or better on their first attempt.
- I have given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane
I just went from thinking I couldn't to thinking that I could...
#12
In case anyone was wondering what the final answer to my question was, about whether I could instruct and sign-off a applicant to take their initial CFI checkride when I have only been an instructor for 22 calender months, the answer is IT DEPENDS.
I called up an Designated Examiner I know and he said under part 61, you must meet the 24/200 rule; however, under part 141, if you meet the other requirements:
400 dual given
100 hours approved course ground instruction
80% or better first time pass rate with at least 5 sign-offs
You can do it.
Part 61: no
Part 141: yes
So if you are working at a flight school that has an FAA approved CFI course, and you meet the above requirements, but have not been a CFI for 24 calender months yet, you can train and sign-off a initial CFI student.
I called up an Designated Examiner I know and he said under part 61, you must meet the 24/200 rule; however, under part 141, if you meet the other requirements:
400 dual given
100 hours approved course ground instruction
80% or better first time pass rate with at least 5 sign-offs
You can do it.
Part 61: no
Part 141: yes
So if you are working at a flight school that has an FAA approved CFI course, and you meet the above requirements, but have not been a CFI for 24 calender months yet, you can train and sign-off a initial CFI student.
#13
Note: In part 61, the 2 year/200 hour requirement applies ONLY to the actual sign-off for the check-ride. Any CFI can do prep work (ground and flying) with an initial CFI applicant to get them to proficiency. At that point a 2-year CFI must take over and do flight/ground as necessary to satisfy himself the the applicant is ready...this can be done in one day with one flight and a few hours of ground as checkride prep (assuming the 2-year trusts the other CFI).
This is legal because there is no specific amount of training required for a CFI applicant, just to proficiency.
I agree that in 141 you can get around the 2-year requirement, but the CFI course must be conducted fully under 141, which is usually too cumbersome in my opinion.
This is legal because there is no specific amount of training required for a CFI applicant, just to proficiency.
I agree that in 141 you can get around the 2-year requirement, but the CFI course must be conducted fully under 141, which is usually too cumbersome in my opinion.
#15
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I had the FSDO want to start an investigation when I asked 'em if a CFI that met the 400 hours dual but not the 24 months could do the training. Their answer was only a 24 month CFI could do the instruction and the endorsement and they would violate a "new" CFI for doing the training for an initial CFI, even if there was no endorsement.
Your FAA will vary, but it is far better to check with your FSDO than to have the checkride disqualified and an investigation started.
Your FAA will vary, but it is far better to check with your FSDO than to have the checkride disqualified and an investigation started.
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