Low Hours...what To Do??
06-25-2008 | 04:52 AM
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I'm flying a nice biz jet now, and I was never a flight instructor. It only took me about...oh, 15 years or so...to get here. And I am the exception to the rule.
You can do it without a CFI, but it will probably take longer and involve more work. Just don't let the students kill you!
You can do it without a CFI, but it will probably take longer and involve more work. Just don't let the students kill you!
06-25-2008 | 06:11 AM
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From: Gulfstream 4SP & 5
The fastest way to get a good corporate gig is to go get your CFI ratings. Do some research to see if their is a Flightsafety training center in your area apply to be a first officer in the simulaters, they will put you through the same initial on the jet that a client would go through, build your time in the meantime and before you know it people will start offering you jobs. Thats what I did and I was 24 years old with 1100 hrs only 75 multi flying a hawker and GV.
06-25-2008 | 08:20 AM
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I was in the same situation three years ago. I decided after a year of instructing that I couldn't do it anymore and was looking for anything to get me out of it. I ended up at an Aerial Survey company paying my dues as a photographer (should mention I had no photography knowledge and pretty much didn't need any). After 8 months there, I had logged about 100 hours of multi flying with the company and was made a pilot. Total time at that point was around 600. Flew for them for 14 months and got another 900 hours of high performance multi engine. It is by far the most challenging flying job I have had and it payed well. I would recommend it for anybody looking for something that is fun and will challenge you.
06-25-2008 | 08:26 AM
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The fastest way to get a good corporate gig is to go get your CFI ratings. Do some research to see if their is a Flightsafety training center in your area apply to be a first officer in the simulaters, they will put you through the same initial on the jet that a client would go through, build your time in the meantime and before you know it people will start offering you jobs. Thats what I did and I was 24 years old with 1100 hrs only 75 multi flying a hawker and GV.
06-25-2008 | 10:52 AM
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From: Gulfstream 4SP & 5
Basically when single clients come for training you are their first officer doing first officer operations (running check lists, normal, ermergency ops) you gain tons of experience and learn more about CRM than you could ever want to know. Employers love it!
06-25-2008 | 06:15 PM
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From: EMB-145 FO
You won't be able to log it since its certified single pilot and they are operating under part 91. They do not have to have ops specs approved by the feds. Just because the company or the insurance requires it doesn't mean it's legit to log.
Only SIC you can log in a single pilot plane under part 91 is if they are operating as a fraction under 91K, like PlaneSense.
Only SIC you can log in a single pilot plane under part 91 is if they are operating as a fraction under 91K, like PlaneSense.
06-26-2008 | 09:04 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
This is one of the biggest scams in general aviation....
You can only log SIC time if...
- The airplane's certification requires an SIC. If the airplane is certified for either 1 or 2 pilot ops, you can always chose to operate with 2 pilots, which allows SIC logging.
- The operation is conducted under special FAA rules which require an SIC even though the airplane is certified for single pilot. Usually this is a 135 OPSPEC.
Company "policy" or insurance requirements for a second pilot DO NOT allow logging of SIC for FAA purposes...only a legit FAA requirement can turn a single-pilot airplane into a 2-pilot airplane.
If you can't log PIC, SIC, or dual recieved then you had better not log total time or anything else...most potential turbine employers will consider that to be falsifying your logbook.
If you really think you can do this, better get (and keep) a copy of the OPSPEC that requires it.
06-26-2008 | 11:59 AM
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WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
This is one of the biggest scams in general aviation....
You can only log SIC time if...
- The airplane's certification requires an SIC. If the airplane is certified for either 1 or 2 pilot ops, you can always chose to operate with 2 pilots, which allows SIC logging.
- The operation is conducted under special FAA rules which require an SIC even though the airplane is certified for single pilot. Usually this is a 135 OPSPEC.
Company "policy" or insurance requirements for a second pilot DO NOT allow logging of SIC for FAA purposes...only a legit FAA requirement can turn a single-pilot airplane into a 2-pilot airplane.
If you can't log PIC, SIC, or dual recieved then you had better not log total time or anything else...most potential turbine employers will consider that to be falsifying your logbook.
If you really think you can do this, better get (and keep) a copy of the OPSPEC that requires it.
This is one of the biggest scams in general aviation....
You can only log SIC time if...
- The airplane's certification requires an SIC. If the airplane is certified for either 1 or 2 pilot ops, you can always chose to operate with 2 pilots, which allows SIC logging.
- The operation is conducted under special FAA rules which require an SIC even though the airplane is certified for single pilot. Usually this is a 135 OPSPEC.
Company "policy" or insurance requirements for a second pilot DO NOT allow logging of SIC for FAA purposes...only a legit FAA requirement can turn a single-pilot airplane into a 2-pilot airplane.
If you can't log PIC, SIC, or dual recieved then you had better not log total time or anything else...most potential turbine employers will consider that to be falsifying your logbook.
If you really think you can do this, better get (and keep) a copy of the OPSPEC that requires it.
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