rickair7777

Correct.
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rickair7777

??? The VA does not "dictate" anything about flight ops to 141 schools. The VA has no purview over 141 certification, that is solely an FAA issue.

141 rules were created, in part, to satisfy VA requirements for a structured training program. 141 does NOT automatically mean VA/MGIB eligibility.

In order to get VA authorization, the school must be reviewed by the VA, and at least one staffer must be trained on VA paperwork. I trained using MGIB and later was the VA paperwork guy.

The VA can deny MGIB certification to a 141 school which has paperwork problems, or has complaints of abuse or fraud. They cannot regulate additional operating rules on top of the FAR's. I suppose that if a school was going to lose it's MGIB cert for safety problems, that school might make a "gentlemen's agreement" with the VA to use more stringent rules to solve safety issues.

the King

(h) Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first-time flight instructor applicants.
(2) Except for an instructor who meets the requirements of paragraph (h)(3)(ii) of this section, a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor;


And for (h)(3):
(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must—
(i) Meet the requirements of paragraph (h)(2) of this section; or
(ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane, a rotorcraft, or for a powered-lift rating;


So technically we were both wrong. It's 80% and 400 dual given or 200 dual given and at least 24 months. But that means you would have renewed your CFI at least once and would probably have the 80% completion, although that isn't required, which is what I got wrong earlier.

jesduke1102

branded is right i was teaching private instrument and comm the day i was hired with a 141 school. It all depends on the school you work for. the FSDO has the authority to decide if they want to place those restrictions on your flight school.

king- part 61 is only truly governs 61 school,s 141 schools can do what ever they want as long as the FSDO approves.

the King

That is true, but most of the 141 programs wouldn't want to make things too difficult. Rewriting the TCO is a big pain in the rear and is not fun. I personally don't understand the reasoning behind the strange policies schools adopt, but you are correct when you say they can.

multipilot

It is a pain in the butt to rewrite the TCO. Our TCO is ancient and I'm starting the process of replacing our old Private Syllabus with a new one. It's not something that you can just do in one day and make happen over night.

the King

I feel for you. They rewrote our TCO at my old job. I think it almost killed our CP.

rickair7777

Get a hold of somebody else's 141 TCO for "reference" purposes...