ToiletDuck

A FTD doesn't have any crew member requirements and doesn't operate under it's own power. If logging it dual given then you might have a little explaining to do to a fed.

NoyGonnaDoIt

Why? First of all there is no requirement at all for a CFI logging training given by the CFI in the CFI's logbook.

And if you mean the CFI side of "training received", then the simplest explanation might be, "Here's the reg, Mr. Fed"?

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61.51(h) Logging training time.
(1) A person may log training time when that person receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.
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Of course, a lot depends on your definition of the word "dual" and how you choose to use it in your logbook. (The FAR does not define "dual.")

If you use "dual" to mean "flight training" then you are correct. Training time in an FTD is not "flight" training. But if you are using "dual" to simply mean "training received in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device" what's wrong with logging it that way?

Bookkeeping

floridaCFII

That's how I was taught, and that's how I teach my students to log training given in FTD (if it's counting towards a certificate or rating, or being used for currency). The only thing you have to remember to do is subtract the FTD time from the Dual when you're filling out the 8710 [the FTD Dual is recorded seperately on the 8710].

de727ups

Dual given has no meaning anymore. And training time in a FTD is most certainly legal to log.

NoyGonnaDoIt

Well, maybe. There's an FAA Chief Counsel opinion from 28 years ago where someone asked about logging PIC time when receiving dual. (It's actually the granddaddy of the logging PIC opinions.)

In the course of the opinion, the Chief Counsel, somewhat irrelevantly says,
So, we get people all the time who say that there's no such thing as "dual." Problem is that the FAA (while never really defining it) does use it. The SFAR in Part 61 about training requirements for Robinson helicopters uses "dual" extensively. And as recently as 2006, even the FAA Chief Counsel used it.