Logging SFTY Pilot Time
09-22-2009, 04:52 PM
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I've been thinking of doing some safety pilot work and obviously, I am glad I ran across this post.
So, what is the bottom line here? The letter seems a little vague as it relates to what the safety pilot can log.
So, what is the bottom line here? The letter seems a little vague as it relates to what the safety pilot can log.
09-22-2009, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
I don't think that anyone responded to the PIC part.
In the scenario as you posted it, you can't log PIC time either. Logging PIC as a safety pilot is based on 61.51(e)(1)(iii) – "is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required..."
IOW, in order to log PIC as a safety pilot, you need to be acting as PIC. You say in your post that the other pilot was the PIC, not you.
So you can't log PIC although, if you want, you may log the time as SIC under 61.51(f)(2)
In the scenario as you posted it, you can't log PIC time either. Logging PIC as a safety pilot is based on 61.51(e)(1)(iii) – "is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required..."
IOW, in order to log PIC as a safety pilot, you need to be acting as PIC. You say in your post that the other pilot was the PIC, not you.
So you can't log PIC although, if you want, you may log the time as SIC under 61.51(f)(2)
09-23-2009, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMpilot
I didn't mean to sound curt with the presumptuous 'incorrect.'
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Read the reg (where it says you need to be acting as PIC to log PIC in this case) and the FAA's 16 year old legal opinion: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...1993/Hicks.rtf
09-23-2009, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by olkev
I've been thinking of doing some safety pilot work and obviously, I am glad I ran across this post.
So, what is the bottom line here? The letter seems a little vague as it relates to what the safety pilot can log.
So, what is the bottom line here? The letter seems a little vague as it relates to what the safety pilot can log.
Check out the FAA Chief Counsel opinion I linked to in response to Mem's post for logging PIC or SIC.
That should cover your question, but for a very unofficial summary FAQ Page
09-23-2009, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
The opinion posted earlier deals with logging cross country as a safety pilot.
Check out the FAA Chief Counsel opinion I linked to in response to Mem's post for logging PIC or SIC.
That should cover your question, but for a very unofficial summary FAQ Page
Check out the FAA Chief Counsel opinion I linked to in response to Mem's post for logging PIC or SIC.
That should cover your question, but for a very unofficial summary FAQ Page
Both pilots in the above operation should log PIC for the time that they are acting as PIC. Pilot A logs the entire flight, and pilot B logs only the time which pilot A is in simulated instrument conditions.
09-23-2009, 07:33 AM
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The letter on post # 3 was posted at our flight school last week. The second pilot cannot log cross country time but can log safety pilot when the first pilot is under the hood.
I agree, you cannot log SIC in Part 91 where an SIC is not required, but I've seen weirder things in logbooks.
I agree, you cannot log SIC in Part 91 where an SIC is not required, but I've seen weirder things in logbooks.
09-23-2009, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gajre539
The letter on post # 3 was posted at our flight school last week. The second pilot cannot log cross country time but can log safety pilot when the first pilot is under the hood.
I agree, you cannot log SIC in Part 91 where an SIC is not required, but I've seen weirder things in logbooks.
I agree, you cannot log SIC in Part 91 where an SIC is not required, but I've seen weirder things in logbooks.
A safety pilot can log total time and PIC. He might as well log both. He can also log category/class (ASEL, AMEL, etc), type, and night if applicable.
09-23-2009, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RCFlyer
That FAQ page is absolutely incorrect. How can you log SIC time while flying a Part 91 flight where and SIC is not required?
Read the rule. Read the Chief Counsel opinion. Me, I've given up arguing about this.
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