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04-03-2010 | 04:19 PM
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Care to actually provide a reference?
fyi - the rule is above 200kts (which makes 200kts ok - albeit close), our breaks are not more than 60 degrees. Coincidently the tower approves it every time... and I can't even recall being denied.
So if you have a real reference that says civilian aircraft are prohibited from doing overhead patterns.. I'll be glad to share it with our whole community... if not....
04-03-2010 | 05:17 PM
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I like tight patterns, but I have noticed that some people can't do pattern that sets them up on a long final. They are so used to keeping it close and steep that if they go to a towered airport that has larger planes, they can't seem to fit in with the other traffic. I always just make sure they can do both types of patterns.
04-03-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Unless there's something you know that a whole community of thousands of pilots don't know who do overhead patterns almost everyday and in some cases right front of the FAA with no problems...
Care to actually provide a reference?
fyi - the rule is above 200kts (which makes 200kts ok - albeit close), our breaks are not more than 60 degrees. Coincidently the tower approves it every time... and I can't even recall being denied.
So if you have a real reference that says civilian aircraft are prohibited from doing overhead patterns.. I'll be glad to share it with our whole community... if not....
Care to actually provide a reference?
fyi - the rule is above 200kts (which makes 200kts ok - albeit close), our breaks are not more than 60 degrees. Coincidently the tower approves it every time... and I can't even recall being denied.
So if you have a real reference that says civilian aircraft are prohibited from doing overhead patterns.. I'll be glad to share it with our whole community... if not....
Sorry, when you talk about an over head I'm thinking 350+ and ripping it off at the numbers. Breaking at 190 knots kind of defeats the purpose.
04-03-2010 | 06:45 PM
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Sorry, when you talk about an over head I'm thinking 350+ and ripping it off at the numbers. Breaking at 190 knots kind of defeats the purpose.
Which is why no one ever did overheads before the F/A-18
The 'purpose' of doing it for us...is just some formation spacing - and of course because it's fun...
04-03-2010 | 06:53 PM
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No - in the days before that people came in alot faster. 
350kts came into being with Flight Life Extension.
It is basically turning to downwind nowdays.
It is fun though isn't it? I like seeing the bigger planes coming in for the break - C-130s or P-3s and such.
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350kts came into being with Flight Life Extension.
It is basically turning to downwind nowdays.
The 'purpose' of doing it for us...is just some formation spacing - and of course because it's fun...
USMCFLYR
04-03-2010 | 07:32 PM
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No - in the days before that people came in alot faster.
350kts came into being with Flight Life Extension.
It is basically turning to downwind nowdays.
It is fun though isn't it? I like seeing the bigger planes coming in for the break - C-130s or P-3s and such.
USMCFLYR
350kts came into being with Flight Life Extension.
It is basically turning to downwind nowdays.
It is fun though isn't it? I like seeing the bigger planes coming in for the break - C-130s or P-3s and such.
USMCFLYR
... and the F/A-18I've heard through the rumor mill that they have been limiting the T-34C break to something like 2g
....have you heard that?
04-03-2010 | 08:14 PM
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Maybe Bunk will pipe up here and give us the latest intel on what is/was happening in the T-34 world.
Hello Bunk.....wake up from the Soju Bunk.
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04-03-2010 | 08:26 PM
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At the field.... yeah not so much.
Ryan make sure you take that attitude with you to Primary. Your IP's will love you.
04-03-2010 | 08:36 PM
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USMC fear not, the sh1it hot is still alive and well at the boat. My personal best was about 550 kts .5 astern. My roommate on the boat routinely pulled off the evil break (600+ kts, .6 astern, 600 feet). Somewhere on you tube there's a hud tape from a Hornet in the break at the boat at .98 and 500'. I've recently seen guys inside the initial with the shock cone coming off the jet.
At the field.... yeah not so much.
At the field.... yeah not so much.
I heard some recent news/rumor that many legacy Hornets were going the way of the Prowler with the G limits. I did my best to leave the next generation with something to fly
Last guy I knew doing 0.99 at the field (on purpose) broke the number in the carrier break at NAS Cecil Field after a RAG FCLP period! He *barely* kept his wings - and that was only because the MATSG CO stood up for him. Nowdays - - probably not so much.
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04-03-2010 | 08:39 PM
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My last indian territory was Key West. It has been awhile though honestly. I got my high speed, high G kick out of LATT
I heard some recent news/rumor that many legacy Hornets were going the way of the Prowler with the G limits. I did my best to leave the next generation with something to fly
Last guy I knew doing 0.99 at the field (on purpose) broke the number in the carrier break at NAS Cecil Field after a RAG FCLP period! He *barely* kept his wings - and that was only because the MATSG CO stood up for him. Nowdays - - probably not so much.
USMCFLYR
I heard some recent news/rumor that many legacy Hornets were going the way of the Prowler with the G limits. I did my best to leave the next generation with something to fly
Last guy I knew doing 0.99 at the field (on purpose) broke the number in the carrier break at NAS Cecil Field after a RAG FCLP period! He *barely* kept his wings - and that was only because the MATSG CO stood up for him. Nowdays - - probably not so much.
USMCFLYR
Yeah, bringing the "Hornet Hum" into the field is not recommended anymore. You can't even do anything at civil fields anymore, less you be put on you tube and FNAEB'd.
Our CAG gave guys free reign around the boat to "operate within their abilities." The second you tried to rip off a SHB and got the WOP you were done for, although I don't think anyone did. No one hung themselves with the rope we were given.
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