Dual given on PA32
06-05-2011 | 03:55 PM
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Dual given on PA32
I am currently a CFII and I have the opportunity to do some instrument training on a PA32 200+HP but I do not have a high performance endorsement. Can I still provide the instrument training and what am I able to log?
06-05-2011 | 04:43 PM
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I think you can, provided the person that you're instructing has their HP and is current... Since it's only am "endorsement" and not a "rating." In that case, the other guy would be acting as PIC. You're not teaching stuff about the airplane, you're teaching instruments. You don't need an HP to teach instruments.
That's how I've heard similar scenarios solved, but I could be (and usually am!) wrong.
I THINK you'd be able to log everything but PIC.
You'll certainly want to hear some more input first.
That's how I've heard similar scenarios solved, but I could be (and usually am!) wrong.
I THINK you'd be able to log everything but PIC.
You'll certainly want to hear some more input first.
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06-05-2011 | 04:49 PM
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I am currently a CFII and I have the opportunity to do some instrument training on a PA32 200+HP but I do not have a high performance endorsement. Can I still provide the instrument training and what am I able to log?
06-05-2011 | 05:06 PM
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I believe you can log Inst. as well. Everything but PIC.
Don't ask me what reg this is... I'm lazy and pulled it off another website:
No mention of endorsement.
Don't ask me what reg this is... I'm lazy and pulled it off another website:
(b) Aircraft ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.
06-05-2011 | 05:58 PM
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If you go actual, who's the PIC? The student is qualified in the plane, does he have an instrument rating? You can't be PIC because you don't have the HP signoff. You can't split it and say you're the instrument PIC and he's the HP PIC.
06-06-2011 | 06:25 AM
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From: King Air 200 CA Hawker 800/900 FO
A: 260HP
B: 300HP
The best thing to do here is definitely get the endorsement. See if the owner will let you fly with another instructor for a lap or two around the patch and sign you off. As someone said, what happens if you go IMC? Whose the true PIC? And if you don't go IMC at somepoint you are shortchanging the student of proper instrument training.
06-06-2011 | 10:10 AM
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Another consideration - since this is a multi-engine airplane, the CFI must have a least 5 hours PIC time in make and model under 61.195(f). While it's not necessary to have the endorsement to log those 5 hours, those 5 hours should certainly be enough to get it.
That's the legality.
As others mentioned, safety is also a consideration, I'm not sure that it's such a good idea to be teaching in a 260 or 300 HP per engine twin when you haven't even been signed off to fly a simple 182. Certainly, in case of some kind of mishap, it would be interesting to hear the answer to the FAA's questions on that subject.
That's the legality.
As others mentioned, safety is also a consideration, I'm not sure that it's such a good idea to be teaching in a 260 or 300 HP per engine twin when you haven't even been signed off to fly a simple 182. Certainly, in case of some kind of mishap, it would be interesting to hear the answer to the FAA's questions on that subject.
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