Student Pic Time...
11-08-2006, 04:59 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by sigep_nm
I doubt it buddy. Do you actually think the guys in the back are paying attention at all? They arent there because they want to be, but because they are forced to be. When was the last time you learned anything when you were forced to be there? Nice pipe dream/
When I was working on my PVT, I wasn't able to watch others since it was done in a 2-place trainer. However when I started instrument training in a 4 place trainer - I sat in on a couple flights.
I was able to pick up on checklist usage in the new aircraft and its performance, but most importantly I was able to visually see what "I" would be doing in the near future. This enabled me to save money and have a experience to relate to as I studied.
While working on my Commercial SEL, I sat in on a couple Arrow flights which was my first experience in a complex airplane. It was awesome and motivating to see how much fun I would be having, but most importantly once again - I was able to see flow checks, checklist usage, and how the airplane performed and is flown for free. This was a tremendous help.
Just my opinion.
11-08-2006, 05:16 PM
#12
Piper Commander
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: PA44 - Right
Posts: 302
Originally Posted by sigep_nm
I doubt it buddy. Do you actually think the guys in the back are paying attention at all? They arent there because they want to be, but because they are forced to be. When was the last time you learned anything when you were forced to be there? Nice pipe dream/
11-13-2006, 08:50 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by mike734
Oh yeah, did you mean student pilot like someone who is not yet rated? I tend to think of a student as someone getting instruction regardless of ratings. An instrument student, for example.
11-13-2006, 09:28 PM
#15
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Originally Posted by mike734
If you maintain the rule that there can only be one PIC at any one time you can never go wrong. I can't say I followed that advice however. When I was trying to build time I logged PIC in a twin when I was "sole manipulator" even though I was sitting next to the real PIC. Hey, I was the one flying! It helped my argument that I had a MEI.
A loophole is if you need multi time but don't have your MEI you just go up with another guy and put him under the hood and act as a CFI giving instrument instrcution then you both get to log it so long as you are rated for the aircraft as well. Some say you have to have your CFII and some say you don't. A regular CFI can give up to 20hrs of instrument instruction before you have to hand him off to a CFII so he can finish up... Let me rephrase that. He needs 20hrs from a CFII so if he wants the most bang for his buck he'd only get 20 from you.
However with commercial students ect. if they already are rated to fly the aircraft and you are giving instruction to them one logs it as PIC and Dual received and you log it as PIC and instruction given. Same for BFR's ect.
11-13-2006, 10:29 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Not true. There is PIC instruction given and PIC instruction received. It comes down to what the student has. If he is a pre private then no. However once he can legally fly the plane with passengers then he can be PIC and you can be PIC instruction given.
A loophole is if you need multi time but don't have your MEI you just go up with another guy and put him under the hood and act as a CFI giving instrument instrcution then you both get to log it so long as you are rated for the aircraft as well. Some say you have to have your CFII and some say you don't. A regular CFI can give up to 20hrs of instrument instruction before you have to hand him off to a CFII so he can finish up... Let me rephrase that. He needs 20hrs from a CFII so if he wants the most bang for his buck he'd only get 20 from you.
However with commercial students ect. if they already are rated to fly the aircraft and you are giving instruction to them one logs it as PIC and Dual received and you log it as PIC and instruction given. Same for BFR's ect.
A loophole is if you need multi time but don't have your MEI you just go up with another guy and put him under the hood and act as a CFI giving instrument instrcution then you both get to log it so long as you are rated for the aircraft as well. Some say you have to have your CFII and some say you don't. A regular CFI can give up to 20hrs of instrument instruction before you have to hand him off to a CFII so he can finish up... Let me rephrase that. He needs 20hrs from a CFII so if he wants the most bang for his buck he'd only get 20 from you.
However with commercial students ect. if they already are rated to fly the aircraft and you are giving instruction to them one logs it as PIC and Dual received and you log it as PIC and instruction given. Same for BFR's ect.
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