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Old 09-25-2012, 01:06 PM   #1  
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Default Got some questions on freelance CFI

I got my CFI this pass July and a friend of mine, who is a commercial rated pilot but not current, are planning to rent a plane and fly around next week.

Now I'm not associate with the FBO and I'm wondering if I can log dual time with him. Also, can he log currency in it if he does 3 touch and goes with me in the plane?

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Old 09-25-2012, 01:26 PM   #2  
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I always figure there has to be some training involved to call it dual instruction given but how much is up to you. And if he's doing the flying his landings count.

Your real issue may be the FBO. Some FBOs don't want "outside" instructors giving dual in their planes, it can get into insurance issues if something goes wrong. But if you're just a friend going for a ride...
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:54 PM   #3  
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This is a shades of gray area. If you honestly feel you were aboard because you are a CFI, then log it as dual. If you are sure you would have gone anyway, then honesty requires you to log it as either safety pilot time if he was under the hood, or as nothing. An example of shades of gray could be, I had a guy some time ago hire me out of the blue to "watch him fly" a G1000 Skylane turbo he had just bought, and he wanted no log book sign off although he checked to see if I was a current CFII. After the flight I offered to sign his dual given time, but he refused plus he did not ask for instruction on anything during the flight. However, I got him out of trouble twice during the flight, once because he engaged a malfunctioning AP (it happens) and he did not notice, and another because he was going to land without clearance from tower. He might not have wanted dual in his logbook, but I sure logged it in mine. On the other hand I have pals with airplanes I could give dual in no problem, but they just want a safety pilot to shoot approaches with for free, so it's not dual given. In that case it is just safety pilot time.
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The FBO will have rules and insurance limitations regarding CFI work and anyone sitting left seat.

If you violate these and have an accident, the insurance will not cover you. If someone other than the renter is in the left seat, it will be pretty easy to figure out what was going on.

Bottom line...if nothing happens and nobody finds out, you'll get away with it. The risk decision is up to you.
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What everyone else has said. The FAA doesn't care. The Insurance and FBO care. Insurance is what really runs everything.
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I got my CFI this pass July and a friend of mine, who is a commercial rated pilot but not current, are planning to rent a plane and fly around next week.

Now I'm not associate with the FBO and I'm wondering if I can log dual time with him.
It's simple. If you are giving instruction, you log dual. If you are not, you don't. That's the FAA's point of view.

Your association or lack of association with the FBO is a factor in your decision whether or not to give instruction in one of the airplanes they operate. One thing you can do is ask the FBO. Some FBOs don't care. Most in my experience, however, do, usually because it affects their insurance. Assuming the answer is no, it's still your choice whether to comply or to expose the FBO and yourself to legal risk in the case of a mishap.

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Also, can he log currency in it if he does 3 touch and goes with me in the plane?
Do you see anything in 61.57 that says whether landings for currency require someone else in the plane or to be solo? No? I don't either.

Or are you saying that the pilot is not already passenger current and you are wondering whether he can take you up with him anyway. The answer goes back to whether or not the two of you are considering this an instructional flight. If it's an instructional flight, neither of you needs to be passenger-current (the FAA Chief Counsel has said that neither a student nor CFI on an instructional flight is a "passenger" under 61.51) ; if it's not an instructional flight, the one who is acting as PIC needs to be current.
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