Engine Shutdown in Flight
12-01-2012 | 02:26 PM
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Someone is questioning whether to shut down an engine during training?
Of course you should shut down an engine during training.
What if it doesn't restart? Then it's better training, isn't it?
Anytime an engine is shut down during training, one should do so on the understanding that one may not get it back. With that in mind, if one has already planned to be able to return to the airport with that engine shut down (or execute a landing if in a single), it's not a big deal, and shouldn't be.
Don't ever let a student have his or her first engine failure alone. If you do, you've let them down. A student facing an emergency should have no more thought than "ah, this again."
Of course you should shut down an engine during training.
What if it doesn't restart? Then it's better training, isn't it?
Anytime an engine is shut down during training, one should do so on the understanding that one may not get it back. With that in mind, if one has already planned to be able to return to the airport with that engine shut down (or execute a landing if in a single), it's not a big deal, and shouldn't be.
Don't ever let a student have his or her first engine failure alone. If you do, you've let them down. A student facing an emergency should have no more thought than "ah, this again."
12-01-2012 | 04:11 PM
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From: Lunar Lander Commander
I do both engines (not at once!) once a year. Feather and restart. Good for the confidence and I like managing a bunch of levers out of synch from where they usually are periodically. The fun starts when we restart them as we do not have unfeathering accumulators and sometimes they take a few of tries. I always just make sure I am over the field at 5,000 and ready for a single engine approach. No biggie for me since we do it at a very light weight.
Kind of funny our checklist says forward of detent for the props for starter start but they do not unfeather unless they are all they way forward. The checklist should say props full forward, took me a little while to figure this out the first time.
Kind of funny our checklist says forward of detent for the props for starter start but they do not unfeather unless they are all they way forward. The checklist should say props full forward, took me a little while to figure this out the first time.
12-01-2012 | 05:21 PM
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Shut 'em down! Did it all the time during my commercial Multi and MEI. Never shut down the same engine. My instructors would kill the mix, shut off the fuel, even had one try to zero thrust on me, just to see if I was paying attention. However, we were ALWAYS near enough an airport in case it became a real emergency. With proper planning, it is great experience
12-01-2012 | 05:44 PM
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I'm surprised by all of the responses from people saying they only shut the engine down once or twice during training. I shut one down in a Seminole on almost every flight during my CMEL and MEI training. I had to shut one down, feather, secure and restart it on both my CMEL and MEI checkrides too. When I had multi students we would shut one down probably 3 out of every 4 flights. Every one of my multi-engine students said that they had to shut one down in flight on the checkride.
I wouldn't do it in bad weather or over the mountains, but even the seminole holds altitude relatively well with an engine shut down. As long as you're not in Colorado or Utah you can probably fly 50+ miles on one engine even in a seminole.
I wouldn't do it in bad weather or over the mountains, but even the seminole holds altitude relatively well with an engine shut down. As long as you're not in Colorado or Utah you can probably fly 50+ miles on one engine even in a seminole.
12-01-2012 | 06:30 PM
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Did it during my initial multi, and during my MEI, and I would do it with every multi engine student I trained.
BUT - I was flying a Cessna 310, which has the power to maneuver single engine, and return to the field if necessary. You would never find me doing it in a Duchess, Seneca, Seminole, etc.
BUT - I was flying a Cessna 310, which has the power to maneuver single engine, and return to the field if necessary. You would never find me doing it in a Duchess, Seneca, Seminole, etc.
12-01-2012 | 06:48 PM
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I stand corrected...I always thought of the Seneca as underpowered (never flown one...but I've never been impressed by it's single-engined cousin performance wise).
12-02-2012 | 06:40 AM
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Thanks all. You all nailed it on the head with me too. We have a Duchess that operates like a homesick angel. Even on one engine we get 100 KIAS, at 18" and full prop on the good. Blue line is 85. We had one not come out of feather the other day. Which was already discussed here. We talked on practice area freq to the aircrew and after all bases were covered advised to declare and land. The owners are livid because they had no idea we were shutting engines down in flight. We went over this with them in great detail when we brought on our twin program but they thought we meant we would simulate it with zero thrust. No way around the PTS. It's letter A. Our 141 syllabus even has it for four different lessons. Wanted to see how the rest of the world felt before I go on e red carpet Monday.
12-02-2012 | 06:49 AM
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Thanks all. You all nailed it on the head with me too. We have a Duchess that operates like a homesick angel. Even on one engine we get 100 KIAS, at 18" and full prop on the good. Blue line is 85. We had one not come out of feather the other day. Which was already discussed here. We talked on practice area freq to the aircrew and after all bases were covered advised to declare and land. The owners are livid because they had no idea we were shutting engines down in flight. We went over this with them in great detail when we brought on our twin program but they thought we meant we would simulate it with zero thrust. No way around the PTS. It's letter A. Our 141 syllabus even has it for four different lessons. Wanted to see how the rest of the world felt before I go on e red carpet Monday.
If it's in the syllabus, then there should be no suprise for the owners. Stand your ground, & back yourself up with the syllabus & more importantly, the PTS.
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