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Old 04-13-2014 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Livesoverwater
Hey Tristan,

Some great advice there for you. I work for a major airline in Asia and absolutely love my job. I'm 30 and have had a relatively successful career and thus have enjoyed every part of it. I haven't worked in the USA so unfortunately any advice I have is likely not valid.

I am, however, interested for my own curiosity, at this point in time, what are your biggest concerns/desires about a career in aviation? Eg enjoying your chosen career, making money, spending too long on my low income, not getting employed, spending too much money.

What would you say are the biggest ones?

Good luck whatever you chose.
Some concerns would be furloughs, extremely low pay, not being able to support a future family, etc. And some desires, well... are basically laid out in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I712YXdJ6_0
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Old 04-13-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Hi Tristan,

I went to ERAU...one of the greatest part of Embry Riddle is the fact that everyone there wants to be in aviation in some capacity whether as a pilot, mechanic, manager, computers etc. Living in the dorms, etc you will befriend people in all programs. It set a tone for the a professional environment, you will have contacts in aviation once you graduate, & they have a great networking system with alumni plus it looks good on a resume, you will not find this with other colleges.

Since you state you are planning on going to your local Jr College first see if they have an aviation program ie aero science (pilot) or aviation maintenance. Also check with Jr Colleges in near by towns to see if they have a aviation program. If not talk to your future 4 year collage that you want to transfer to about what credits will and will not transfer for the Jr College then see what program will transfer the most credits to your desired say ERAU program. For example the ERAU aero science degree (pilot) you need physics 1 & 2, calculus etc all of this you can take at the Jr College if ERAU accept these class which will save you lots of money so check now.

DO NOT worry about the money side of college...contact your desired 4 year college financial department now, get to know the head of that department, ask lots of questions to see what you qualify for. Since your dad was in the service have him check with his branch of service/base for scholarship programs for kids who had parents in the service...not sure what office on base has these scholarships but they are available. In addition your local jr college library has books in the reference section that list out scholarships/check with their financial department for future scholarships too. You may also qualify for grants which you will not have to pay back. Research the heck out of this NOW and apply as soon as the scholarship program (every scholarship) will allow in advance for your transfer to your 4 year college.


For ERAU back in the day for the Aero Science program (flight program) if you transferred with your Commercial/Instrument license you only had to take one flying class all your license and ground school transferred. Type of course you could take then at ERAU would be Certified Flight Instructors, Multi engine, crew coordination, turbine etc if you go this way. This is a huge savings if they are still doing this. Meaning you could fly at your local airport now to save money then transfer to ERAU. Call them or the other colleges you are looking into to see if they still do this.

Lots of student at ERAU joined ROTC ...mainly Air Force & Army but some Marines. They had most/all of their college paid for as long as they did not fail out of ERAU/flight training.

Get a job now at your local airport as a line guy/counter person to gain experience and meet local pilots. Make friends with the airline guys on the field.

For ERAU or other colleges look into their aircraft maintenance with flight college program (not sure the official name now) the reason why you should consider this program is you end up graduating with all of your aircraft maintenance licenses and all of your pilots licenses. Why do this? because you will have an unbelievable aircraft systems and flight knowledge great for every job you have in your future especially all of your airline/Marine ground/flight schools, looks great on a resume, opens lots of doors early in your career. It does not mean you have to become an maintenance personnel at all.

If your local Jr College does not have a flight program check with local flight schools, high schools, even the Jr College as some times they will have a summer ground school that is very inexpensive and you will get the signoff towards your license(s).

Buy the Jeppensen private pilot manual & private flight videos and start studying/watching. They are excellent and will give you a great knowledge base for when you start your flight lessons.

If you transfer with all your pilots license to a 4 year college get your flight instructors license and instruct while you are in college still...you will end up graduating with a few hundred hours even part time which is heading you in the right direction for either the commuter direction or for the Marines or other service direction.

call ERAU or the other Flight Colleges to see if they are going to be at your local airshow...usually ERAU has a Alumi tent/Recruits tent at the big ones where you can go and talk with them.

Best of luck to you!! Your picking a great career!
Thanks for all the advice! I am trying to avoid ERAU though, I do not want any type of degree in aviation. I'd rather have a "back-up" degree in case of furlough, etc. Plus, I'm trying to stay as debt free as possible.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by soon2bfo
ERAU is a good school. It will cost you around $150,000-200,000 to go there. If you earn your ratings privately by purchasing an aircraft or just renting from an FBO you will save money. Any other flight program will cost less. Avoid debt in college. Avoid debt in college. Avoid debt in college. You will have a much better life if you get to the airlines without owing your soul to a huge debt that cannot be discharged. Every time I see somebody suggest financing as a route to pay for ratings I throw up in my mouth.
Yeah... that's way too much. I'd rather not sell my soul to the banks. I really wish the tuition for ERAU was more reasonable.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 08:42 AM
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Before you throw a good University like ERAU out the window check on scholarships, grants and joining the service to pay for college. Most people do not pay the full tuition amount when going to any college.

I could not afford ERAU either so I worked throughout college in Daytona I bartender on the weekends. At the time it was a lot to have to work 3-4 nights a week while taking a full load of class plus flying. I also Got scholarships. I wanted to go to the best Aviation College in the world so I studied/worked hard to achieve that dream. You can do the same it's just going to take some work to search scholarships, grants, service options. A large percentage of students who attend ERAU have college paid for by ROTC. Aside from the Academies (ie Air Force etc) ERAU has the biggest ROTC program on any US campus.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ21
Before you throw a good University like ERAU out the window check on scholarships, grants and joining the service to pay for college. Most people do not pay the full tuition amount when going to any college.

I could not afford ERAU either so I worked throughout college in Daytona I bartender on the weekends. At the time it was a lot to have to work 3-4 nights a week while taking a full load of class plus flying. I also Got scholarships. I wanted to go to the best Aviation College in the world so I studied/worked hard to achieve that dream. You can do the same it's just going to take some work to search scholarships, grants, service options. A large percentage of students who attend ERAU have college paid for by ROTC. Aside from the Academies (ie Air Force etc) ERAU has the biggest ROTC program on any US campus.
That's very true. However, I wouldn't want an aviation degree. It's useless if I got furloughed.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TristanRealest
Wow, you're lucky. The price for ERAU is out-of-this-world right now. What do you think about majoring in Computer Science?

Or, what if I went Enlisted in the USMC, got my GI Bill, and used it to attend ERAU for free? Is that possible?
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Majoring in Computer Science would be good. With all the leaps & advances that take place daily when it comes to our handheld electronic devices...who knows. It'd be a good backup plan in case aviation doesn't work out for you.

Personally, I'd do the USAF. Don't get me wrong...nothing....absolutely nothing is wrong with going the USMC route. A lot of guys that are on and use this forum were part of the Corp. It's just that from my perspective, joining the Corp and possibly being shipped off to a "hot" spot just isn't for me. However, when its all said and done and at the end of the day Tristan...the choice is yours. Do what you feel and know what's best for Tristan.


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Old 04-13-2014 | 09:55 AM
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Well in real terms one year now is probably about equal to all four years in 1987
Man.....if truer words were never spoken. When I saw the per semester cost, my mouth dropped & hit the floor like a cartoon's character's mouth! ERAU is simply overpriced!.


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Personally, I'd do the USAF. Don't get me wrong...nothing....absolutely nothing is wrong with going the USMC route. A lot of guys that are on and use this forum were part of the Corps. It's just that from my perspective, joining the Corps and possibly being shipped off to a "hot" spot just isn't for me. However, when its all said and done and at the end of the day Tristan...the choice is yours. Do what you feel and know what's best for Tristan.


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That is one of the reasons FOR joining the Corps.
If that isn't for you then certainly don't join the Marines.
But - that can really be said for any of the services.
You had better know what you doing when you sign on the dotted line.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 02:35 AM
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That is one of the reasons FOR joining the Corps.
If that isn't for you then certainly don't join the Marines.
But - that can really be said for any of the services.
You had better know what you doing when you sign on the dotted line.
Would you happen to know how everyone is selected for their aircraft (Jets, Helo, Turboprop, KC130)? Is it based on grades, etc? Or do they just stick everyone's name in a hat and choose that way, haha?
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Originally Posted by TristanRealest
Would you happen to know how everyone is selected for their aircraft (Jets, Helo, Turboprop, KC130)? Is it based on grades, etc? Or do they just stick everyone's name in a hat and choose that way, haha?
In order (at least when I selected):
1) Needs of the Marine Corps.
2) Your grades.
3) Your 'wish list' (choice)

Everything in flight school is competitive.
Much of it is like life in general.
Do your best and you'll end up with options. Do poorly, or make bad choices, and your options will most likely be limited.
BUT - - in the end - - you can be number one in your class and if the Marine Corps needs pilots in a certain community - then that is where you will go as an example.
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