The Next ATP Evolution
06-01-2014, 02:23 AM
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The Next ATP Evolution
The New ATP—A Brief Window Before the Sky Falls? - AVweb Features Article
With the next evolution of the ATP almost upon us are there any schools prepared to give the 30 classroom hrs and 10 hrs of sim time needed? Are there any 121/135/91 operators that typically pay for type rating willing to pony up an additional $15k to $20K for a 1500hr pilot or are we expected to pay for that as well?
If there are any airlines or flight schools that are planning to offer training under the new ATP rule please point me in the right direction.
With the next evolution of the ATP almost upon us are there any schools prepared to give the 30 classroom hrs and 10 hrs of sim time needed? Are there any 121/135/91 operators that typically pay for type rating willing to pony up an additional $15k to $20K for a 1500hr pilot or are we expected to pay for that as well?
If there are any airlines or flight schools that are planning to offer training under the new ATP rule please point me in the right direction.
06-01-2014, 07:44 AM
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Regionals will have to offer it...if any single company does not provide it, that company will have ZERO applicants as long as other regionals are hiring.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
06-01-2014, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
Xjet and psa both confirmed to be offering the course. Skywest is in "talks" about it. I haven't asked any other regionals. Most regionals will offer the course. And there's no way it'll cost 15-20k
I beg to differ on how much this may cost a potential applicant in which many business/corporate/airline jet or turboprop type rating courses start at $15000 USD and accelerate into the atmosphere. I have 5 type ratings in which the least expensive was my SA-227 type at around $12000 in 2002. All paid for by my employers.
06-01-2014, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bozobigtop
I beg to differ on how much this may cost a potential applicant in which many business/corporate/airline jet or turboprop type rating courses start at $15000 USD and accelerate into the atmosphere. I have 5 type ratings in which the least expensive was my SA-227 type at around $12000 in 2002. All paid for by my employers.
06-01-2014, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Regionals will have to offer it...if any single company does not provide it, that company will have ZERO applicants as long as other regionals are hiring.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
It seems reasonable for a regional to offer the training, but what about the others? Quite a few non 121 outfits want pilots to have the ATP when they show up (not to mention a type rating). I can't imagine a regional or a 135 spending upwards of 50K on type ratings and ATP without locking you in to a longer term contract.
06-01-2014, 07:11 PM
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BTW, (and please forgive my ignorance of the subject; the ink on my PPL is still fresh) has the FAA or anyone else for that matter considered consolidating type ratings into category's rather that by manufacturer. i.e. a Very Light Jet category type rating versus a Citation Mustang or a Eclipse 500 as separate type ratings? Are those two airplanes so different as to require $10k or more per aircraft for a type rating? Or am I just way of the mark on this one?
06-01-2014, 11:05 PM
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Manufacturers who sell to operators who own their own sims "influence" the FAA to consolidate different types from the SAME manufacturer; B-757/767, the B-737series classic/300/NG, and B-777/787. to save money.
Training providers who own the sims the public or small companies must rent apparently "influence" the FAA to separate virtually identical aircraft into different type ratings; the CE-500 vs CE-560XL, CL-600 vs CL-65, BE-1900 vs BE-300, etc. to make money.
But across manufacturer lines, NEVER.
Training providers who own the sims the public or small companies must rent apparently "influence" the FAA to separate virtually identical aircraft into different type ratings; the CE-500 vs CE-560XL, CL-600 vs CL-65, BE-1900 vs BE-300, etc. to make money.
But across manufacturer lines, NEVER.
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