The Next ATP Evolution
06-01-2014 | 02:23 AM
#1
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
From: 141 IFR Student
The Next ATP Evolution
The New ATP—A Brief Window Before the Sky Falls? - AVweb Features Article
With the next evolution of the ATP almost upon us are there any schools prepared to give the 30 classroom hrs and 10 hrs of sim time needed? Are there any 121/135/91 operators that typically pay for type rating willing to pony up an additional $15k to $20K for a 1500hr pilot or are we expected to pay for that as well?
If there are any airlines or flight schools that are planning to offer training under the new ATP rule please point me in the right direction.
With the next evolution of the ATP almost upon us are there any schools prepared to give the 30 classroom hrs and 10 hrs of sim time needed? Are there any 121/135/91 operators that typically pay for type rating willing to pony up an additional $15k to $20K for a 1500hr pilot or are we expected to pay for that as well?
If there are any airlines or flight schools that are planning to offer training under the new ATP rule please point me in the right direction.
06-01-2014 | 07:44 AM
#3
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 45,184
Likes: 807
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Regionals will have to offer it...if any single company does not provide it, that company will have ZERO applicants as long as other regionals are hiring.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
06-01-2014 | 08:12 AM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 514
Likes: 0
From: Left seat of a Jet
I beg to differ on how much this may cost a potential applicant in which many business/corporate/airline jet or turboprop type rating courses start at $15000 USD and accelerate into the atmosphere. I have 5 type ratings in which the least expensive was my SA-227 type at around $12000 in 2002. All paid for by my employers.
06-01-2014 | 09:50 AM
#5
Banned
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 432
Likes: 0
I beg to differ on how much this may cost a potential applicant in which many business/corporate/airline jet or turboprop type rating courses start at $15000 USD and accelerate into the atmosphere. I have 5 type ratings in which the least expensive was my SA-227 type at around $12000 in 2002. All paid for by my employers.
06-01-2014 | 06:59 PM
#7
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
From: 141 IFR Student
Regionals will have to offer it...if any single company does not provide it, that company will have ZERO applicants as long as other regionals are hiring.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
That could possible change in some hypothetical future time when there is a surplus of entry-level pilots, but I'm not really seeing that in the next couple decades.
It seems reasonable for a regional to offer the training, but what about the others? Quite a few non 121 outfits want pilots to have the ATP when they show up (not to mention a type rating). I can't imagine a regional or a 135 spending upwards of 50K on type ratings and ATP without locking you in to a longer term contract.
06-01-2014 | 07:11 PM
#8
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
From: 141 IFR Student
BTW, (and please forgive my ignorance of the subject; the ink on my PPL is still fresh) has the FAA or anyone else for that matter considered consolidating type ratings into category's rather that by manufacturer. i.e. a Very Light Jet category type rating versus a Citation Mustang or a Eclipse 500 as separate type ratings? Are those two airplanes so different as to require $10k or more per aircraft for a type rating? Or am I just way of the mark on this one?
06-01-2014 | 11:05 PM
#10
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
From: B744 FO
Manufacturers who sell to operators who own their own sims "influence" the FAA to consolidate different types from the SAME manufacturer; B-757/767, the B-737series classic/300/NG, and B-777/787. to save money.
Training providers who own the sims the public or small companies must rent apparently "influence" the FAA to separate virtually identical aircraft into different type ratings; the CE-500 vs CE-560XL, CL-600 vs CL-65, BE-1900 vs BE-300, etc. to make money.
But across manufacturer lines, NEVER.
Training providers who own the sims the public or small companies must rent apparently "influence" the FAA to separate virtually identical aircraft into different type ratings; the CE-500 vs CE-560XL, CL-600 vs CL-65, BE-1900 vs BE-300, etc. to make money.
But across manufacturer lines, NEVER.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
