Logging King Air 350
02-10-2016 | 06:05 AM
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A company "requirement", an insurance requirement, or an owner "preference" does does not make it legal to log.
An FAA requirement DOES make it legal to log. In this scenario that would pretty much be ops under an a 135 certificate where the OPSPEC requires an SIC.
An FAA requirement for an SIC in the type certification of the aircraft would also make it legal of course. This applies even if the the type is two-pilot but optionally single-pilot, and the PIC is single-pilot rated. In this case the crew can ALWAYS choose to fly two-pilot even if they meet the legal requirements to fly single-pilot.
It is not necessary to have a type to log SIC, although it would be necessary to have completed the specified part 135 training.
02-10-2016 | 06:23 AM
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No, according to the latest from FAA policy divisions, only if the operation requires it by regulation or the airplane requires two pilots. They do not consider Ops Spec to be regulation in this sense and that question was specifically asked.
02-10-2016 | 06:47 AM
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Oooh, that's a big change. Wonder how they're going to deal with all the folks who have ATP's based partly on 135 SIC?
02-10-2016 | 10:27 AM
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OPSPECS by definition are a Part 135 Function. Just like Management Specs are a function of Part 91K. OPSPECS don't require an SIC. The SIC requirement comes from the Regulations for Passenger carrying IFR Part 135 flights. The OPSPEC that pertains to this reg. actually is an exemption to the rule if you have a working autopilot. (Auto-pilot in lieu of SIC)
Therefore, any Part135 flight department that carries passengers under IFR requires a SIC. Unless, you have the specific OPSSPEC.
Therefore, any Part135 flight department that carries passengers under IFR requires a SIC. Unless, you have the specific OPSSPEC.
02-10-2016 | 06:40 PM
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If your internal company regs require an SIC, then I would log SIC, as you are Acting, and being paid, to be one. I would lose no sleep over this, as long as you could articulate it in the interview. Are you being paid to sit in the seat ? Does the company provide training or issue SOP's for your actions in that seat? Then I would log it accordingly. My two cents.
02-10-2016 | 07:14 PM
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OPSPECS by definition are a Part 135 Function. Just like Management Specs are a function of Part 91K. OPSPECS don't require an SIC. The SIC requirement comes from the Regulations for Passenger carrying IFR Part 135 flights. The OPSPEC that pertains to this reg. actually is an exemption to the rule if you have a working autopilot. (Auto-pilot in lieu of SIC)
Therefore, any Part135 flight department that carries passengers under IFR requires a SIC. Unless, you have the specific OPSSPEC.
Therefore, any Part135 flight department that carries passengers under IFR requires a SIC. Unless, you have the specific OPSSPEC.
§119.7 Operations specifications.
(a) Each certificate holder's operations specifications must contain—
(1) The authorizations, limitations, and certain procedures under which each kind of operation, if applicable, is to be conducted; and
(2) Certain other procedures under which each class and size of aircraft is to be operated.
(b) Except for operations specifications paragraphs identifying authorized kinds of operations, operations specifications are not a part of a certificate.
(a) Each certificate holder's operations specifications must contain—
(1) The authorizations, limitations, and certain procedures under which each kind of operation, if applicable, is to be conducted; and
(2) Certain other procedures under which each class and size of aircraft is to be operated.
(b) Except for operations specifications paragraphs identifying authorized kinds of operations, operations specifications are not a part of a certificate.
§119.33 General requirements.
(a) A person may not operate as a direct air carrier unless that person—
(1) Is a citizen of the United States;
(2) Obtains an Air Carrier Certificate; and
(3) Obtains operations specifications that prescribe the authorizations, limitations, and procedures under which each kind of operation must be conducted.
(b) A person other than a direct air carrier may not conduct any commercial passenger or cargo aircraft operation for compensation or hire under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter unless that person—
(1) Is a citizen of the United States;
(2) Obtains an Operating Certificate; and
(3) Obtains operations specifications that prescribe the authorizations, limitations, and procedures under which each kind of operation must be conducted.
(c) Each applicant for a certificate under this part and each applicant for operations specifications authorizing a new kind of operation that is subject to §121.163 or §135.145 of this chapter shall conduct proving tests as authorized by the Administrator during the application process for authority to conduct operations under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter. All proving tests must be conducted in a manner acceptable to the Administrator. All proving tests must be conducted under the appropriate operating and maintenance requirements of part 121 or 135 of this chapter that would apply if the applicant were fully certificated. The Administrator will issue a letter of authorization to each person stating the various authorities under which the proving tests shall be conducted.
(a) A person may not operate as a direct air carrier unless that person—
(1) Is a citizen of the United States;
(2) Obtains an Air Carrier Certificate; and
(3) Obtains operations specifications that prescribe the authorizations, limitations, and procedures under which each kind of operation must be conducted.
(b) A person other than a direct air carrier may not conduct any commercial passenger or cargo aircraft operation for compensation or hire under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter unless that person—
(1) Is a citizen of the United States;
(2) Obtains an Operating Certificate; and
(3) Obtains operations specifications that prescribe the authorizations, limitations, and procedures under which each kind of operation must be conducted.
(c) Each applicant for a certificate under this part and each applicant for operations specifications authorizing a new kind of operation that is subject to §121.163 or §135.145 of this chapter shall conduct proving tests as authorized by the Administrator during the application process for authority to conduct operations under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter. All proving tests must be conducted in a manner acceptable to the Administrator. All proving tests must be conducted under the appropriate operating and maintenance requirements of part 121 or 135 of this chapter that would apply if the applicant were fully certificated. The Administrator will issue a letter of authorization to each person stating the various authorities under which the proving tests shall be conducted.
02-11-2016 | 06:25 AM
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I was focused on the current question. I merely meant that OPSSPECS as the FAA defines them don't apply to 91 or 91K. Yes they apply to 121, 135, and various other forms of commercial operation, as set forth in 119 in the regs.
02-11-2016 | 06:32 AM
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You're saying a 135 trained SIC who is required to be on board by the company's OPSPEC is not able to log SIC? Ie he is just a passenger?
Or do those 135 OPSPECS always mirror something in the 135 regs, which do grant the legality to log?
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