Logging King Air 350
02-18-2016, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
For a rated military pilot logging time in accordance with military regulation, a military requirement for a second in command is acceptable.
For a contract pilot flying an aircraft in military operations, a military requirement for a SIC is not a FAA regulatory requirement, and is not justification for logging the time, any more than a corporations in house rules.
For a contract pilot flying an aircraft in military operations, a military requirement for a SIC is not a FAA regulatory requirement, and is not justification for logging the time, any more than a corporations in house rules.
02-19-2016, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
For a contract pilot flying an aircraft in military operations, a military requirement for a SIC is not a FAA regulatory requirement, and is not justification for logging the time, any more than a corporations in house rules.
Would that not fall under the clause of "under the regulations under which the flight is conducted"? If you are flying overseas for the military, FAA rules don't apply. I'd imagine whatever applicable military regulations apply.
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02-19-2016, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Toonces
Would that not fall under the clause of "under the regulations under which the flight is conducted"?
FAA regulation regarding the logging of time refers to FAA regulation, not military regulation.
Originally Posted by Toonces
If you are flying overseas for the military, FAA rules don't apply.
Are you operating under your FAA pilot certificate, using an FAA Medical, in an aircraft with an N number and US registration and airworthiness certificate?
Guess which regulations apply.
Logging time based on your FAA pilot certification?
Which regulation do you suppose applies?
02-20-2016, 07:11 AM
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No idea, I was asking the question.
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
Part 61.1 defines who an authorized instructor is, and Part 61.51 says that training time is only loggable by an authorized instructor. A military instructor pilot is not mentioned in either of these. Did the training even happen?
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
Part 61.1 defines who an authorized instructor is, and Part 61.51 says that training time is only loggable by an authorized instructor. A military instructor pilot is not mentioned in either of these. Did the training even happen?
02-20-2016, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Toonces
No idea, I was asking the question.
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
Part 61.1 defines who an authorized instructor is, and Part 61.51 says that training time is only loggable by an authorized instructor. A military instructor pilot is not mentioned in either of these. Did the training even happen?
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
Part 61.1 defines who an authorized instructor is, and Part 61.51 says that training time is only loggable by an authorized instructor. A military instructor pilot is not mentioned in either of these. Did the training even happen?
02-20-2016, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Toonces
No idea, I was asking the question.
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
There are way too many scenarios, but imagine if a civilian pilot was being trained in a military aircraft by a military instructor pilot as part of his job as a contractor. The military instructor pilot has no requirement to hold an FAA flight instructor certificate, so is this time loggable?
02-20-2016, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Yes. The military IP can log Instructor time because he's a designated instructor pilot.
I'm not trying to dig down too deep a rabbit hole. It's just interesting to see what counts and what doesn't (supposedly) when you're operating outside two standard deviations.
02-20-2016, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Toonces
That wasn't the question. Can the civilian log the time since the military IP is not considered an authorized instructor under the FARs?
I'm not trying to dig down too deep a rabbit hole. It's just interesting to see what counts and what doesn't (supposedly) when you're operating outside two standard deviations.
I'm not trying to dig down too deep a rabbit hole. It's just interesting to see what counts and what doesn't (supposedly) when you're operating outside two standard deviations.
Consider logging it as co-pilot time and take a look at how the different airlines want it logged. AA wants dual and co-pilot times as SIC for example.
It's interesting that the FAA allows logging PIC and SIC different ways than the airlines want to count it. It really shouldn't have to be this convoluted of a process.
02-20-2016, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
It's interesting that the FAA allows logging PIC and SIC different ways than the airlines want to count it. It really shouldn't have to be this convoluted of a process.
The FAA has no concern whatsoever for what a commercial company wants to see in pilot experience. The FAA prescribes the circumstances under which a pilot may be certificated, and under which he or she may log time.
What we see in this thread is the typical gross misunderstanding of the regulation.
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