Go Back   Airline Pilot Central Forums - Find your next job as a Pilot > >
Flight Schools and Training Ratings, building hours, airmanship, CFI topics
 

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-20-2016, 02:02 PM   #41  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JamesNoBrakes's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: Volleyball Player
Posts: 3,265
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otterbox View Post
A military dude would log it as SIC on their resume and apps.

Consider logging it as co-pilot time and take a look at how the different airlines want it logged. AA wants dual and co-pilot times as SIC for example.

It's interesting that the FAA allows logging PIC and SIC different ways than the airlines want to count it. It really shouldn't have to be this convoluted of a process.
You can log anything you want, such as sunny-days-when-the-moon-is-visible-from-Texas, but when counting experience for the purpose of certification, ratings and recent flight experience, it has to be in-line with the FAA requirements. I've seen some pilots that count things that aren't "required", but it can be an nice thing to put on a resume at some point. Likewise, the airline can count whatever they want to count.

In the bigger picture, most airlines want to see that you can function successfully in a dual-pilot environment, be a competent airman and get along well with others. The also want you to be able to eventually upgrade to Captain. There are many ways to show this and I think we tend to get stuck on there only being "one way". Modern HR departments are pretty smart and usually not all hung up on hours alone.
JamesNoBrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2016, 03:25 PM   #42  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 1,533
Default

Speaking of- what logbooks do you guys use? Any reason why Jepp or ASA pro logbook is better than the other?
Otterbox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 06:41 AM   #43  
On Reserve
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 15
Default

My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
RyanK290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 08:24 AM   #44  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 1,533
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanK290 View Post
My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
If your not the PIC then log it all as co-pilot time regardless of whether you're the flying pilot or not.

Or log your sole manipulator flights as PIC and the rest co-pilot.

Whatever method you chose, be consistent about it so your able to survive a logbook review.

If you're going airlines eventually, one of AAs pilot hiring helpers familiar with the king air 350 flights recommended to only log PIC flights of record as PIC and non PIC of record flights as SIC in order to give the most conservative, audit proof, accounting of your flight time. I've also been told by other people to log sole manipulator time IAW FARs and hope they don't ask.

Ask the guys who used to work there and were successful at getting where you want to go what to do.
Otterbox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 09:03 AM   #45  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: CA
Posts: 812
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otterbox View Post
Speaking of- what logbooks do you guys use? Any reason why Jepp or ASA pro logbook is better than the other?

As long as you keep it nice and kept it shouldn't matter. Nowadays many use the e-logbooks, print out their times and put them in a nice binder.
I went on an interview last year where some of the logbooks were just plain embarrassing. I guarantee that's as far as those candidates got.

Personally, I use the Jepp logbook only because that's what I originally started out with
say again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 03:52 PM   #46  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JamesNoBrakes's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: Volleyball Player
Posts: 3,265
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbucks View Post
Respectfully disagree. If there is a company Ops spec requiring an SIC - Then you can log it.
Ops Specs are not "regulations", so the FAA interp is that you can not log it to meet experience requirements for FAA certs and ratings. You can disagree, but I've heard this straight from the FAA policy division responsible for it. The regulation regarding logging of says "regulations". If the regs require the SIC to fly IFR w/pax in your aircraft, then yes. If w/ autopilot, no.
JamesNoBrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 05:06 PM   #47  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JamesNoBrakes's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: Volleyball Player
Posts: 3,265
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Ops Specs....
Oops, already said it. Disregard.
JamesNoBrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 08:31 PM   #48  
Disinterested Third Party
 
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,322
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanK290 View Post
My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
"Dual required?" What is that?

Do you require some "dual?" Is the person in the other seat an instructor who is signing you off and providing flight instruction?

If you are in an aircraft that requires two crew members and isn't being operated under a single pilot exemption, then you may log SIC so long as you meet the SIC requirements.
JohnBurke is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 

 
Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Atlas Air outlook article DC8DRIVER Cargo 6 03-24-2014 06:37 AM
Executive AirShare - Regional Beechjet and King Air Fractional Bill Lumberg Fractional 35 02-25-2013 09:30 AM
Logging King Air SIC kiwiflyer Aviation Law 17 01-31-2013 11:20 AM
King Air 350 cjpilotmd11 Corporate 8 09-23-2012 02:03 PM
King Air 350 in MEM wareagle07 Hiring News 3 08-10-2009 07:30 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:50 PM.


vBulletin® v3.9.3.5, Copyright ©2000-2019, MH Sub I, LLC dba vBulletin
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Website Copyright ©2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1