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Old 02-20-2016, 02:02 PM
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A military dude would log it as SIC on their resume and apps.

Consider logging it as co-pilot time and take a look at how the different airlines want it logged. AA wants dual and co-pilot times as SIC for example.

It's interesting that the FAA allows logging PIC and SIC different ways than the airlines want to count it. It really shouldn't have to be this convoluted of a process.
You can log anything you want, such as sunny-days-when-the-moon-is-visible-from-Texas, but when counting experience for the purpose of certification, ratings and recent flight experience, it has to be in-line with the FAA requirements. I've seen some pilots that count things that aren't "required", but it can be an nice thing to put on a resume at some point. Likewise, the airline can count whatever they want to count.

In the bigger picture, most airlines want to see that you can function successfully in a dual-pilot environment, be a competent airman and get along well with others. The also want you to be able to eventually upgrade to Captain. There are many ways to show this and I think we tend to get stuck on there only being "one way". Modern HR departments are pretty smart and usually not all hung up on hours alone.
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:25 PM
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Speaking of- what logbooks do you guys use? Any reason why Jepp or ASA pro logbook is better than the other?
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My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
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My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
If your not the PIC then log it all as co-pilot time regardless of whether you're the flying pilot or not.

Or log your sole manipulator flights as PIC and the rest co-pilot.

Whatever method you chose, be consistent about it so your able to survive a logbook review.

If you're going airlines eventually, one of AAs pilot hiring helpers familiar with the king air 350 flights recommended to only log PIC flights of record as PIC and non PIC of record flights as SIC in order to give the most conservative, audit proof, accounting of your flight time. I've also been told by other people to log sole manipulator time IAW FARs and hope they don't ask.

Ask the guys who used to work there and were successful at getting where you want to go what to do.
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Speaking of- what logbooks do you guys use? Any reason why Jepp or ASA pro logbook is better than the other?

As long as you keep it nice and kept it shouldn't matter. Nowadays many use the e-logbooks, print out their times and put them in a nice binder.
I went on an interview last year where some of the logbooks were just plain embarrassing. I guarantee that's as far as those candidates got.

Personally, I use the Jepp logbook only because that's what I originally started out with
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Respectfully disagree. If there is a company Ops spec requiring an SIC - Then you can log it.
Ops Specs are not "regulations", so the FAA interp is that you can not log it to meet experience requirements for FAA certs and ratings. You can disagree, but I've heard this straight from the FAA policy division responsible for it. The regulation regarding logging of says "regulations". If the regs require the SIC to fly IFR w/pax in your aircraft, then yes. If w/ autopilot, no.
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Ops Specs....
Oops, already said it. Disregard.
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My company has a 300 hour rule where I can't be PIC until I get over 300 hours. If I'm the pilot flying how can I log that? Dual required?
"Dual required?" What is that?

Do you require some "dual?" Is the person in the other seat an instructor who is signing you off and providing flight instruction?

If you are in an aircraft that requires two crew members and isn't being operated under a single pilot exemption, then you may log SIC so long as you meet the SIC requirements.
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