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Old 06-02-2017, 03:30 PM
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The majority of the scabs that are still flying are senior pilots at United and dues paying ALPA members.
And some are active chief pilots at SB freight outfits ...
ALPA collecting dues and allowing these UA scab pilots to be union members reflects real poorly on ALPA , these rats (no offence to the rats ) will scab again at the first opportunity and stick the knife deep in the backs of their colleagues..
Being a Scab is a decease , just like herpes is ..
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Old 06-03-2017, 02:56 AM
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I have to fly with scabs so I don't care about jumpseating with them. If Norwegian offers reciprocal jumpseat I don't give a toss but if they don't no fn way.
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Good grief, nobody is going to tarnish their resume by going to Norwegian. The only way to tarnish your resume is by actually scabbing, you know, crossing a picket line. Nobody tarnished their resume at Freedom Air or GoJets, and nobody will tarnish their resume by going to Norwegian. They may make less money than they could at another place, but that is a different story.

Yup! They said the same thing about the 'Pay to Play' folks in the mid 90s. By that logic Everyone who went to Comair, Great Lakes, Chautauqua, Commutair, Continental Express, Pinnacle, Mesaba, etc... who had to pay $10,000 for their training should be on the street instead of in the cockpit.


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Old 06-03-2017, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan View Post
Yup! They said the same thing about the 'Pay to Play' folks in the mid 90s. By that logic Everyone who went to Comair, Great Lakes, Chautauqua, Commutair, Continental Express, Pinnacle, Mesaba, etc... who had to pay $10,000 for their training should be on the street instead of in the cockpit.


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Yep, thanks for even more examples. Even the SWA guys were given crap because most of them bought a type rating in order get hired.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:13 AM
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Yep, thanks for even more examples. Even the SWA guys were given crap because most of them bought a type rating in order get hired.
In my day you had to buy a type rating to get an interview at SWA.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chyna View Post
And some are active chief pilots at SB freight outfits ...
ALPA collecting dues and allowing these UA scab pilots to be union members reflects real poorly on ALPA , these rats (no offence to the rats ) will scab again at the first opportunity and stick the knife deep in the backs of their colleagues..
Being a Scab is a decease , just like herpes is ..
History: During the Continental strike, the then active scab pilots decertified ALPA as their bargaining agent, and formed an in-house union. All the pilots were members of that union. When the Continental pilots union merged with ALPA in 2001, then all members of the Continental pilots union automatically became ALPA members, even if they had been previously been expelled for scabbing (federal labor law). This was a political decision by ALPA that I disagree with, but I wasn't asked for my opinion.

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Old 06-03-2017, 02:05 PM
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If they are applying at NAI, they already know they can't get hired at the US major airlines.
Why not? Not trying to be funny or sarcastic. Logically, why wouldn't Delta or AA want to take resources away from NAI? It makes sense to hire qualified pilots away from your competitors - right?
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Why not? Not trying to be funny or sarcastic. Logically, why wouldn't Delta or AA want to take resources away from NAI? It makes sense to hire qualified pilots away from your competitors - right?
There are those who don't wish to subscribe to the Orwellian life.
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There are those who don't wish to subscribe to the Orwellian life.
Yeah, Id much rather pay for my own recurrent sim time than make money and have any quality of life.

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I think it is plausible. United scabs were from 1985, so 32 years ago. If a guy scabbed in his 20s or early 30s, he could still be active today. I just think when you combine the extremely low number of pilots who actually carry and check the scab list with the fact there have been five total scabs added to the list in the past 28 years, the chest thumping about making ones life "miserable" is an empty threat. Also the fact that there were many bombastic threats about blacklisting the guys who went to Freedom and GoJets, and those threats never materialised, the threats against guys who may be interested in Norwegian are empty threats as well. It is easy to get up on your pedestal and pound your chest on an internet message board. But history clearly shows that very few, if any, pilots will follow through with their message board promises.
Youve probably never been checked against the list because 1.) youre either too young to have scabbed or 2.) didnt exhibit SCAB behavior. Theyre pretty easy to spot and Ive had several captains deny them the JS. Most guys I know and fly with have the list with them, I keep it on my phone. NEVER forgive and NEVER forget. As youve pointed out, theyll do it again.

NAI will never get a JS agreement with the US carriers (unless they somehow manage to unionize, then maybe).. All the managements and unions are in agreement on the threat they pose. This isnt a go jets situation, nor is their business plan. GJ was just another bottom feeder regional to be whip sawed, NAI is a different situation all together. I seriously doubt ALPA/AWA/etc will even have to ask for any JS agreement to be denied.

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Old 06-05-2017, 10:09 AM
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Yeah, Id much rather pay for my own recurrent sim time than make money and have any quality of life.



Youve probably never been checked against the list because 1.) youre either too young to have scabbed or 2.) didnt exhibit SCAB behavior. Theyre pretty easy to spot and Ive had several captains deny them the JS. Most guys I know and fly with have the list with them, I keep it on my phone. NEVER forgive and NEVER forget. As youve pointed out, theyll do it again.

NAI will never get a JS agreement with the US carriers (unless they somehow manage to unionize, then maybe).. All the managements and unions are in agreement on the threat they pose. This isnt a go jets situation, nor is their business plan. GJ was just another bottom feeder regional to be whip sawed, NAI is a different situation all together. I seriously doubt ALPA/AWA/etc will even have to ask for any JS agreement to be denied.
Completely agree but you're wasting your keystrokes with these guys. They don't see anything wrong with the NAI business model/plan.
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