Dont bother explaining. The fact that they cant be bothered reading any of it shows that many Americans have closed their mind on learning new concepts many moons ago. Just look at how many the flat earthers and fake news believers there are in America.

 

Are all the pilots employed by the company or they're independant "self-employed" contractor like Ryan air ?

 

Oh we understand the shell game. We just don't see how it benefits labor. How much do NAI pilots make again?

 

Negative. Many Americans (as in pilots in this country) want to see them die because their 787 captains were making less than 737s at SWA, UAL, AA, or UAL.

Also, the management of those airlines want to see them die because they’ve depressed yield on the international routes with their ridiculously cheap fairs.

 

Then why don't you want to see BA, Lufthansa, SAS, and every other European airline die? They all pay significantly less than their U.S. counterparts. Norwegian was nowhere near the bottom when it came to wide body pay among European carriers. Isn't every airline guilty of depressing yields on routes? Unless they are colluding with one another, they are in competition and depressing yields. Southwest is the airline it is today because it spent decades undercutting yields in the States (i.e. "The Southwest Effect"). Still failing to see the reason for the vitriol. Given their mismanagement and recklessness, I would think the response would be more tilted towards bewilderment and amusement towards Norwegian, not anger, especially considering U.S. pilots were experiencing arguably the best contracts and work rules of the deregulation era. I guess I could see anger if they were hiring third world pilots to operate European routes, while pilots were generally struggling as they did in the post 9/11 era, but that is not what was happening. Oh well. Long haul is gone, and as expected, they are re-structuring to be a smaller Nordic focused short-haul carrier.

 

Yep. It is a bit of a yawn. It is both tiring and strangely fascinating to see you guys get all angry and red in the face, and yet be so obviously ignorant as to the reasons why you are angry. It is almost like you are mindless drones who were told by their leader to be angry, so you got angry, and when presented with the evidence that shows why your anger is unjustified or misdirected, you ignore that because it doesn't fit in with the comfortable narrative their leader told them. Just look at the responses in this thread, there is a lot of "that's too complex for me to understand", and "I am not going to bother to read that", and just general deflection or ignoring of questions. If you don't have the self awareness to recognize your ignorance and that you are actively avoiding looking at evidence that might contradict your anger is actually quite pathetic. The verifiable evidence and explanations have been presented many times in this forum, with multiple links, and in a format nothing more than two or three paragraphs of reading, and you guys claim that is "too complicated" for you. Perhaps I should take your money and use it produce a three minute cartoon, that seems to be the most effective way of reaching you.

I will ask a simple question again, who did Norwegian outsource to?

 

No one here is angry or red in the face. In fact it seems you are the one most frustrated that no one agrees with your garbage. US airlines flying to the EU use American flight crews. EU airlines flying to the US use EU flight crews. NAI flies from the EU to the US using an irish flag and crews from Bangkok. I personally don't care to hear your or anyone else's logic behind their hiring practices so keep pounding your drum until you're red in the face, glad they're done. I also hope and suspect that no US based carrier will hire any of these labor undercutting hacks either.

 

I don’t see anyone on this thread beating their chests about the pay disparities between mainline pilots and their regional counterparts flying the same routes (aka outsourcing)... Why is that??? Justifiable double standard do I detect?

Start the fight for parody in pay in benefits on your home turf before trying to fix problems beyond your turf.

 

Flags of convenience - just look at the ocean shipping industry to see how that worked out for labor.

 

NAI did not use any Bangkok flight crews. The only crew base in BKK was a 787 crew base, which was operated by NAS, not NAI. That is lie number 1 that ALPA sold to you in their cartoon, Norwegian did not require a new Irish based AOC to open a BKK crew base, they were able to do that just fine with the Norwegian based AOC. There was only one pilot in BKK who was not a citizen of an EU/EEA country, and he was Australian. ALPA conveniently forgot to tell you that in their cartoon. As for the theory that the purpose of BKK was to screw labor by having lower costs, the BKK pilot base was closed almost two years ago as it was determined to not be cost effective and was always the smallest 787 base, behind LGW, CPH, CDG, FCO, BCN and even FLL. If it were cost effective, and served the purpose of screwing labor, it doesn't make any sense to keep it so small and then ultimately close it.

For the record, as of January 2018, the 787 pilot seniority list for Norwegian showed the following nationality breakdown:
115 Norwegians
112 Dutch
110 British
90 Swedish
81 Danish
60 German
47 French
42 Italian
30 Belgian
27 Spanish
23 Irish
20 American
19 Austrian
13 Finnish
10 Swiss
6 Portugal
2 Czech
2 Hungarian
2 Latvian
1 Australian
1 Canadian
1 Lithuanian

Outside of the 1 Australian and 1 Canadian, they were all European or American.