Emirates 777 Take-Off Incident
12-30-2021 | 07:53 PM
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I don't believe the plots are correct about not rotating until 200 KIAS. I ran the OPT numbers with a guess at their weight and it would have been a Vr around 175 KIAS with a V2 of 181, so a slow rotation rate would have one in the high 100s and still be on the ground. Inside scoop is saying that social media is making this sound much worse than it was. A screw up for sure and there was a Flap overspeed, but there was no GPWS "Don't Sink". There was a level segment at approximately 300' until they sorted out the mistake, apparently. That's what I am hearing, but not verified.
12-31-2021 | 01:49 PM
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From: Whale FO
01-01-2022 | 04:10 AM
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Also about the two additional pilots, they were telling me that more times than not, the folks on the jumpseat pay no attention to the procedures of the flying crew and that they are often on their phones until the aircraft is about to take the runway.
I would suggest that perhaps there are lessons to be learned from this because I must admit that the behavior of jumpseat occupants that they described is something that I have seen.
With 4 pairs of eyes this shouldn't have been missed.
01-01-2022 | 10:08 AM
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Been exchanging with a couple of friends at EK, they used to have a Takeoff Review procedure that of course covered the FMA and MCP settings but it was taken off the procedures by an Assistant CP with the argument that this is something professional aviators do and there is no need for a reminder.
Also about the two additional pilots, they were telling me that more times than not, the folks on the jumpseat pay no attention to the procedures of the flying crew and that they are often on their phones until the aircraft is about to take the runway.
I would suggest that perhaps there are lessons to be learned from this because I must admit that the behavior of jumpseat occupants that they described is something that I have seen.
With 4 pairs of eyes this shouldn't have been missed.
Also about the two additional pilots, they were telling me that more times than not, the folks on the jumpseat pay no attention to the procedures of the flying crew and that they are often on their phones until the aircraft is about to take the runway.
I would suggest that perhaps there are lessons to be learned from this because I must admit that the behavior of jumpseat occupants that they described is something that I have seen.
With 4 pairs of eyes this shouldn't have been missed.
My buddies at EK don't have much hope that this will change anything there. Fire the culprits and claim there is no cultural problem at the airline.
01-01-2022 | 10:05 PM
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Wow. Regardless of what is set in the MCP or the magic is telling you. Positive rate, gear up and pitch for 17-20 degrees or what is proper. Low altitude level off with both engines producing power is difficult to comprehend.
01-02-2022 | 12:14 AM
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Couldn't it be a whole different reason or a chain of events like mcp set and wrong miscalculated weight and balance or some other thing? So far the only facts we know are the ads-b speed and altitude and that company Notam that was leaked. I just can't accept the narrative that the pilots were just too incompetent to rotate at some plausible speed and just couldn't didn't see the end of the runway until they were past it.
Also I've seen many jump seaters aka ACM in the US on their phones right until takeoff.
Also I've seen many jump seaters aka ACM in the US on their phones right until takeoff.
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