frozenboxhauler

Is that per hour? If so, not bad,...$237. at todays exchange rate.
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stoki

Do you work for a regional now?

EuroLot and LOT are both hiring, but I am sure eventually like with anything else this will come to a hault. As far as when and how shorthanded they are I don't know.

captjns

That is based on a five on five off floating base roster. Pilots average about 875 hours per year. The maximum hours that can be flown is 900 hours in Europe.

cactusmike

Is Ryanair still assisting with work visas for the EU? I understand Brookfield is the contractor for them but there is no information on hiring other than the Ryanair web site.

olympic

This pay applies to a DEC. I am talking about First Officers who have to give an arm and a leg before joining the company. The problem with the above is that NEWBIES are willing to get a Type Rating thinking that this will get them the job, not knowing that this destroys the whole market. I joined my company with no Type Rating or MCC Course and guess what happened? They paid for both

NOW, if everyone went to my company and said I have the Type Rating, I have the MCC course done ... They would make it a Pre-Req before applying! Thank god this hasn't happened, but Im sure it will at some point.

captjns

Brookfield Aviation is the current provider of aircrews for Ryanair. They will provide you with a list of immegration attourneys that can assist you in applying for the work visa.

captjns

Negative. There are a few F/Os who were current qualfied on glass cockpit type 737s. With this in mind, they trained under the Ryanair OCC program, which is a reduced training program approved by the IAA.

The market is not going to be destroyed because airmen are willing to pay for training, but a flood of unemployed pilots who earlied out and willing to work for substandard wages even overseas. Pay for DECs in India and China have declined by as much as 30 percent over the past two years.

olympic

This is where we disagree, I believe that paying for a TYPE RATING is ridiculous. Europe is in a crisis, where people don't have enough money to buy food because of the high prices. Going out and getting a TYPE RATING because you think this will give you an edge is a fairy tale. There are plenty of airlines out there that will pay for your training. PAYING to get a job is a sales pitch that will probably put you in debt before you even start working in the company.

I see your point about the unemployed pilots who are willing to work for substandard wages, this is a given. But when these unemployed pilots go to an interview and are told, you need to pay for TYPE RATING what do you think they will do? They probably can't afford that so they go to the second best thing, flying for **** money to make a decent living. Personally I would never pay for a Type Rating, knowing that there are PLENTY of airlines out there that will give you the Type Rating for free and will pay you a descent amount of money.

stoki

Have to agree with Olympic here. European LoCos dont seem to be hiring as much as they were in the past maybe 2-3 years, but I remember when they were, most European carriers required a "self-sponsered jet familiarizastion course" aka You pay for your training. You would have guys getting their comm. certificates, then getting a loan and spending another 20k to get a type rating. In the beginning this started getting guys jobs, the word spread, and more and more airlines started doing it, as it was working for them. Then it even went to the point where you were required to have a type-rating, but werent even guarenteed the job !!

Complete non-sense, we shouldnt have to pay for our training, and it is dragging the entire industry in Europe down. Its not cheap, and only the wealthy can do it. Do you apply at a grocery store or McDonalds and have to pay for your training?? Its laughable, and to say otherwise is laughable as well. But it has become a standard overthere and hopefully this disease wont spread any further then it already has. Its hard enough getting a good flying job.

captjns

Paying to play, a scheme which I do not endorse nor do I participate in.

As of late, available credit is drying up quite rapidly on the eastern side of the Atlantic too. With that being said, it’s going to be hard for newbies to borrow the 28,000 Euros for the jet type rating, let alone pay off current loans incurred with their flight training to date. Thus entry jobs for 240 hour pilots with Gulfstream, Ryanair, and Easyjet to name a few are going to be attainable to the children of the rich and famous.

Its not only going to be the pay to play guys that will have a direct affect on future salaries and T&Cs that will be offered in the coming months, but the addition of pilots being furloughed in the US and other pilots being put on the street due to airline failures world wide.

With the exception of CX, SAI, and EK, salaries and T&Cs have deteriorated over the past couple of years... and that's for current qualified crews too.

Oxford Aviation purchased PARC Aviation. This should prove to be interesting in the coming months since they also own SAS academy in Stockholm. It may prove lower salaries for the newbies while the cost of training will remain the same, if not increase. It will be interesting to observe these new dynamics.