How Much Do First-Year SO's get Paid at Cathay?
09-03-2008, 05:33 PM
#21
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thanks for making my point
your post exactly demonstrates your lack of "real" experience not to mention common sense, Maverick. Can I call you Maverick? or maybe Yeager is more suitable? I really enjoyed reading your rant, it brightened my day 
! And watch out for that class C airspace, while my hand gets held up above in class A. Oh by the way, Yeager, I'm a current CFII, MEI, and have over 1400 hours of dual given. Thank heavens for competition, as it would be utterly painful to have to sit with you, and your obviously artificially enlarged ego for 12 hours.
! And watch out for that class C airspace, while my hand gets held up above in class A. Oh by the way, Yeager, I'm a current CFII, MEI, and have over 1400 hours of dual given. Thank heavens for competition, as it would be utterly painful to have to sit with you, and your obviously artificially enlarged ego for 12 hours.
Last edited by mpflis; 09-03-2008 at 05:38 PM.
09-20-2008, 03:42 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Badgeman
What are you saying? Are you saying it's still a good deal? Or are you mocking my disgust with the lack of due diligence that the people who operate the hiring websites seem to think they can live without? I mean, it's the applicant that has to completely divulge every last detail about themselves but the airline thinks it can just posts nebulous vagueries. It's like opportunistically fishing with a dragnet, not caring what kind of casualties arise from essentially "shot-gunning" the market.
BTW: CFI'ing is a far cry from what you call "observation flying". I take exception to your under-informed opinion. I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that! You try simply "observing" as what amounts to a Captain with cardiac arrest tries ogering-in for the fifth time in 30 minutes. I don't see any FO's having to keep the flight from getting completely lost as he tries to teach his Captain a lesson about the difference between true and magnetic north. If you want to talk about keeping your cool, when was the last time an FO on a regional had to tell the captain 6 times in a row over a 15 second period he needed to stop climbing to stay out of over-lying class C air-space and not scream at him? Oh that's right I forgot FO's on regional airliners get their hands held through class A space exclusively. What about every student that puts you into a real life "engine out" emergency check list at least once during their privates by leaning out the mixture ALL THE WAY. When was the last time an auto-pilot primadona even looked at an emergency checklist while flying? "Observations flying". Ha!
You say, the minimums are just that...minimums...to APPLY. Are you trying to tell me that I actually have to fly 1000TT just to have the "privilege" of applying for a job I know I'm not going to get?? Why would I even send in an application for a job I know I'm not going to be considered for? NO, 1000TT means I will be seriously considered for a job as described at 1000TT. The regional airlines post the minimums that they a HIRING AT, not the minimums you become privileged enough to mail them toilet paper at.
BTW: CFI'ing is a far cry from what you call "observation flying". I take exception to your under-informed opinion. I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that! You try simply "observing" as what amounts to a Captain with cardiac arrest tries ogering-in for the fifth time in 30 minutes. I don't see any FO's having to keep the flight from getting completely lost as he tries to teach his Captain a lesson about the difference between true and magnetic north. If you want to talk about keeping your cool, when was the last time an FO on a regional had to tell the captain 6 times in a row over a 15 second period he needed to stop climbing to stay out of over-lying class C air-space and not scream at him? Oh that's right I forgot FO's on regional airliners get their hands held through class A space exclusively. What about every student that puts you into a real life "engine out" emergency check list at least once during their privates by leaning out the mixture ALL THE WAY. When was the last time an auto-pilot primadona even looked at an emergency checklist while flying? "Observations flying". Ha!
You say, the minimums are just that...minimums...to APPLY. Are you trying to tell me that I actually have to fly 1000TT just to have the "privilege" of applying for a job I know I'm not going to get?? Why would I even send in an application for a job I know I'm not going to be considered for? NO, 1000TT means I will be seriously considered for a job as described at 1000TT. The regional airlines post the minimums that they a HIRING AT, not the minimums you become privileged enough to mail them toilet paper at.
dude what do you think you are the only CFI out there... most of those 4 year FO's you talk about were CFI's also.
And no man you could not fly the RJ better then a 4 year FO. U could fly the RJ better then a new hire out of training. Thats one of the stupidest things I have ever seen on here.
I have a 1000 hours on the 747-200 and like 3000+ on the RJ and I cant get called back from Cathay. Go back to your 172 and try to get hired at a regional and show them just how good u are at flying. Your not getting hired at Cathay as a CFI.
09-23-2008, 08:48 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Badgeman
I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that!
I think every regional new-hire class has a couple of these guys... They're usually the ones that bust their orals in less than 15 minutes, and then wash out of the sim. (We had three in my class, and NONE of them made it) But damn, could they tell you their seminole engine-out story over and over and over and over....
09-23-2008, 11:26 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Badgeman
I take exception to your under-informed opinion. I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that!
The true professional aviator is humble, willing to learn, and completely in touch with his/her limits and shortcomings. I feel I have more to learn now than I did as a private pilot.
I would never, EVER let my family fly in your airplane. I highly doubt you could pass an interview with your attitude, regardless of your total time.
Sit down, shut up, and try to improve yourself until such time as you are competitive for an interview somewhere. And count yourself lucky if you can get an interview anywhere.
There are no shortcuts, and there is no fast track to a $300,000/yr job, which is apparently what you're angling for. Everyone pays his/her dues. And so will you.
Have you considered a more suitable career for yourself outside of aviation? If not, I strongly urge you to do so. I am not optimistic about your chances of living--much less succeeding--as a pilot.
And lastly...switch to decaf, Twitch.
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09-26-2008, 01:28 PM
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[ But damn, could they tell you their seminole engine-out story over and over and over and over....[/quote]
And when they land they notice they turned both of the MAG's off on the left engine instead of the boost pumps...
Saw that one once
And when they land they notice they turned both of the MAG's off on the left engine instead of the boost pumps...
Saw that one once
09-27-2008, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Badgeman
You say, the minimums are just that...minimums...to APPLY. Are you trying to tell me that I actually have to fly 1000TT just to have the "privilege" of applying for a job I know I'm not going to get?? Why would I even send in an application for a job I know I'm not going to be considered for? NO, 1000TT means I will be seriously considered for a job as described at 1000TT. The regional airlines post the minimums that they a HIRING AT, not the minimums you become privileged enough to mail them toilet paper at.
I think I've even read it in a Cx gouge that they might ask "why didn't you apply when you hit our published minimums." Maybe you should call Cathay and voice your concern over their hiring process...make sure you give them your name and phone number so they can rest the concerns of everyone on this board and never hire your little whiny arse.
I know of a few good jobs in Asia and Africa, and of career avenues that could possibly lead you to Cathay one day, even in this industry, and the folks on this board probably have even better suggestions and contacts than I do, since some of them actually work for Cathay and other ops in the Fragrant Harbor. I'm one of your lowly RJ FOs, but I guess you don't want any links, email addresses, or company names from me since you can "outfly me" with all your experience doing steep turns and spin training.
Maybe you should check out night freight...with your attitude in single pilot IFR, you'll be dead in less than 12 months (or completely humbled to the level you need to be at to fly for an airline).
I was going to tell you about a couple ops over there that might take a solid look at you, even with your time, and about a couple of good corporate gigs in Dubai you might have a shot at, but since I'm looking at those jobs too and you have a horrible tude I'm not going to share.
Notice no one on this board really tried to engage in your pssing contest...even though they would've easily won...that's because airline pilots learn to keep their mouths shut because humility and being open-minded to learning keep you alive, get you through upgrade, and keep you sane when you get furloughed and have to go to the bottom of another airline's list and start all over, even if the guy above you on that new list has much less experience...do you think PNCLCREW incessantly complained to 9E about the RJ's climb performance after he got furloughed from a 74 job? Probably not
Last edited by nicholasblonde; 09-27-2008 at 12:01 PM.
09-28-2008, 11:07 PM
#27
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Want the job? Get your sh!t together and apply once you meet the mins. Then wait. And wait. And wait. For S/O's 2000tt with 800 turbine at least for now, DEFO's will probably have to wait until late 2009/early 2010 before hiring picks up again.
Year or two ago it wasn't unheard of to have to wait several YEARS for CX to call back. So if you really want the job, get your sh!t together, and apply once you meet the mins. Then wait. Repeat after first application.
FF
Year or two ago it wasn't unheard of to have to wait several YEARS for CX to call back. So if you really want the job, get your sh!t together, and apply once you meet the mins. Then wait. Repeat after first application.
FF
09-29-2008, 04:56 AM
#28
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I applied to CX 4 years ago (2004) when I barely met the mins. I waited... no call. Updated app every year since then and no call... I added 4000hrs of RJ time to my app- updated again March 08 and received an initial interview for a DESO position for October 3rd 2009. I was super excited and spent the past several months(and hundreds of dollars) pouring over all types of interview prep material. I received an email a few weeks ago letting me know that all interviews have been canceled until further notice due to a backlog in training. So now I wait again and am hoping interviews will restart late 2009/early 2010.
Patience is a virtue, and humility is as well.
Patience is a virtue, and humility is as well.
09-30-2008, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I applied to CX 4 years ago (2004) when I barely met the mins. I waited... no call. Updated app every year since then and no call... I added 4000hrs of RJ time to my app- updated again March 08 and received an initial interview for a DESO position for October 3rd 2009. I was super excited and spent the past several months(and hundreds of dollars) pouring over all types of interview prep material. I received an email a few weeks ago letting me know that all interviews have been canceled until further notice due to a backlog in training. So now I wait again and am hoping interviews will restart late 2009/early 2010.
Patience is a virtue, and humility is as well.
Patience is a virtue, and humility is as well.
09-30-2008, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Badgeman
What are you saying? Are you saying it's still a good deal? Or are you mocking my disgust with the lack of due diligence that the people who operate the hiring websites seem to think they can live without? I mean, it's the applicant that has to completely divulge every last detail about themselves but the airline thinks it can just posts nebulous vagueries. It's like opportunistically fishing with a dragnet, not caring what kind of casualties arise from essentially "shot-gunning" the market.
BTW: CFI'ing is a far cry from what you call "observation flying". I take exception to your under-informed opinion. I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that! You try simply "observing" as what amounts to a Captain with cardiac arrest tries ogering-in for the fifth time in 30 minutes. I don't see any FO's having to keep the flight from getting completely lost as he tries to teach his Captain a lesson about the difference between true and magnetic north. If you want to talk about keeping your cool, when was the last time an FO on a regional had to tell the captain 6 times in a row over a 15 second period he needed to stop climbing to stay out of over-lying class C air-space and not scream at him? Oh that's right I forgot FO's on regional airliners get their hands held through class A space exclusively. What about every student that puts you into a real life "engine out" emergency check list at least once during their privates by leaning out the mixture ALL THE WAY. When was the last time an auto-pilot primadona even looked at an emergency checklist while flying? "Observations flying". Ha!
You say, the minimums are just that...minimums...to APPLY. Are you trying to tell me that I actually have to fly 1000TT just to have the "privilege" of applying for a job I know I'm not going to get?? Why would I even send in an application for a job I know I'm not going to be considered for? NO, 1000TT means I will be seriously considered for a job as described at 1000TT. The regional airlines post the minimums that they a HIRING AT, not the minimums you become privileged enough to mail them toilet paper at.
BTW: CFI'ing is a far cry from what you call "observation flying". I take exception to your under-informed opinion. I could out-fly any hands-off, degenerated-flying-skill, 4th year F.O. any day, and probably even in his own RJ at that! You try simply "observing" as what amounts to a Captain with cardiac arrest tries ogering-in for the fifth time in 30 minutes. I don't see any FO's having to keep the flight from getting completely lost as he tries to teach his Captain a lesson about the difference between true and magnetic north. If you want to talk about keeping your cool, when was the last time an FO on a regional had to tell the captain 6 times in a row over a 15 second period he needed to stop climbing to stay out of over-lying class C air-space and not scream at him? Oh that's right I forgot FO's on regional airliners get their hands held through class A space exclusively. What about every student that puts you into a real life "engine out" emergency check list at least once during their privates by leaning out the mixture ALL THE WAY. When was the last time an auto-pilot primadona even looked at an emergency checklist while flying? "Observations flying". Ha!
You say, the minimums are just that...minimums...to APPLY. Are you trying to tell me that I actually have to fly 1000TT just to have the "privilege" of applying for a job I know I'm not going to get?? Why would I even send in an application for a job I know I'm not going to be considered for? NO, 1000TT means I will be seriously considered for a job as described at 1000TT. The regional airlines post the minimums that they a HIRING AT, not the minimums you become privileged enough to mail them toilet paper at.
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