Air France 447
06-03-2009, 04:23 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by Semaphore Sam
Drudge Reports bomb threats within the last week in South America against air France, but from Buenos Aires, Argentina, not Brazil...for what it's worth. Sam
06-03-2009, 04:40 AM
#162
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XM weather - a very useful tool (but limited service availability). SATCOM expands data uplink service world wide but is costly. Utilizing these data uplink weather tools - while airborne - magnifies the pilot's situational awareness exponentially. Radar, ATC and visual scanning IS LIMITED. Give commercial pilots the availability to receive ALL weather related information while airborne!
06-03-2009, 05:57 AM
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News just showed that investigators are not optimistic that the black FDR/CVR will ever be found if it sinks to the ocean floor. Brazilians are taking charge of recovery efforts, and the closest diver on scene is still a day away. The French are of course leading the way of the investigation. They're saying the black box is only waterproof for 30 days...
Can't they make one that can float??? Heck, if an A-320 can float on the Hudson for almost a whole day, why don't they design the black box that way?
Can't they make one that can float??? Heck, if an A-320 can float on the Hudson for almost a whole day, why don't they design the black box that way?
06-03-2009, 06:09 AM
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Thanks to everyone for sharing all your thoughts on the subject of this missing flight.
I'm not a pilot, but I'm always curious when planes crash to find out the real insights from the people who actually fly them, rather than from unreliable news sources, so I always come here.
It seems to me (if we're going to speculate) pretty clear that something caused massive electronic and instrument failure on this plane, as many have been saying.
If it was terrorism, the automated messages that were sent out for 3 or 4 minutes probably wouldn't have happened, or there at least would have been some sort of emergency call from the pilot first. This seems to have been sudden and without much warning, but not so sudden that the plane just blew up.
And with the previous problems with some of the sophisticated systems on the Airbus 330, and the similarity of what few events we have information on with this flight, it sounds similar to the past problems, such as the Qantas Perth flight, and I think there was one other some years ago too (Wikipedia really did have a lot of information on this).
I reckon it's a question of, "If you have to ask did the instruments fail, you probably already know the answer."
But I guess time will tell. The media is being very coy about it all, saying they're not going to find the black boxes, but as someone pointed out earlier about the sophisticated equipment the US military has for finding such things, and the fact that they've already deployed such craft to the area, I'll bet we'll see a result.. and it sounds like they will be able to get a fair bit of insight from the debris once they can measure perhaps how hot the various bits got, etc... might tell whether it broke up in the air or once it hit the water.
My thoughts go out to all those families with relatives and friends on that flight... and to all of us really, because it's very scary when something like this happens.
I'm not a pilot, but I'm always curious when planes crash to find out the real insights from the people who actually fly them, rather than from unreliable news sources, so I always come here.
It seems to me (if we're going to speculate) pretty clear that something caused massive electronic and instrument failure on this plane, as many have been saying.
If it was terrorism, the automated messages that were sent out for 3 or 4 minutes probably wouldn't have happened, or there at least would have been some sort of emergency call from the pilot first. This seems to have been sudden and without much warning, but not so sudden that the plane just blew up.
And with the previous problems with some of the sophisticated systems on the Airbus 330, and the similarity of what few events we have information on with this flight, it sounds similar to the past problems, such as the Qantas Perth flight, and I think there was one other some years ago too (Wikipedia really did have a lot of information on this).
I reckon it's a question of, "If you have to ask did the instruments fail, you probably already know the answer."
But I guess time will tell. The media is being very coy about it all, saying they're not going to find the black boxes, but as someone pointed out earlier about the sophisticated equipment the US military has for finding such things, and the fact that they've already deployed such craft to the area, I'll bet we'll see a result.. and it sounds like they will be able to get a fair bit of insight from the debris once they can measure perhaps how hot the various bits got, etc... might tell whether it broke up in the air or once it hit the water.
My thoughts go out to all those families with relatives and friends on that flight... and to all of us really, because it's very scary when something like this happens.
06-03-2009, 06:12 AM
#166
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Originally Posted by tequilatamm
Thanks to everyone for sharing all your thoughts on the subject of this missing flight.
I'm not a pilot, but I'm always curious when planes crash to find out the real insights from the people who actually fly them, rather than from unreliable news sources, so I always come here.
It seems to me (if we're going to speculate) pretty clear that something caused massive electronic and instrument failure on this plane, as many have been saying.
If it was terrorism, the automated messages that were sent out for 3 or 4 minutes probably wouldn't have happened, or there at least would have been some sort of emergency call from the pilot first. This seems to have been sudden and without much warning, but not so sudden that the plane just blew up.
And with the previous problems with some of the sophisticated systems on the Airbus 330, and the similarity of what few events we have information on with this flight, it sounds similar to the past problems, such as the Qantas Perth flight, and I think there was one other some years ago too (Wikipedia really did have a lot of information on this).
I reckon it's a question of, "If you have to ask did the instruments fail, you probably already know the answer."
But I guess time will tell. The media is being very coy about it all, saying they're not going to find the black boxes, but as someone pointed out earlier about the sophisticated equipment the US military has for finding such things, and the fact that they've already deployed such craft to the area, I'll bet we'll see a result.. and it sounds like they will be able to get a fair bit of insight from the debris once they can measure perhaps how hot the various bits got, etc... might tell whether it broke up in the air or once it hit the water.
My thoughts go out to all those families with relatives and friends on that flight... and to all of us really, because it's very scary when something like this happens.
I'm not a pilot, but I'm always curious when planes crash to find out the real insights from the people who actually fly them, rather than from unreliable news sources, so I always come here.
It seems to me (if we're going to speculate) pretty clear that something caused massive electronic and instrument failure on this plane, as many have been saying.
If it was terrorism, the automated messages that were sent out for 3 or 4 minutes probably wouldn't have happened, or there at least would have been some sort of emergency call from the pilot first. This seems to have been sudden and without much warning, but not so sudden that the plane just blew up.
And with the previous problems with some of the sophisticated systems on the Airbus 330, and the similarity of what few events we have information on with this flight, it sounds similar to the past problems, such as the Qantas Perth flight, and I think there was one other some years ago too (Wikipedia really did have a lot of information on this).
I reckon it's a question of, "If you have to ask did the instruments fail, you probably already know the answer."
But I guess time will tell. The media is being very coy about it all, saying they're not going to find the black boxes, but as someone pointed out earlier about the sophisticated equipment the US military has for finding such things, and the fact that they've already deployed such craft to the area, I'll bet we'll see a result.. and it sounds like they will be able to get a fair bit of insight from the debris once they can measure perhaps how hot the various bits got, etc... might tell whether it broke up in the air or once it hit the water.
My thoughts go out to all those families with relatives and friends on that flight... and to all of us really, because it's very scary when something like this happens.
06-03-2009, 06:38 AM
#167
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Wow, an internet report. Well if I read it on a computer it must be true. Everything on the internet has to be 100% verified to be correct. I think I will go to Wikipedia and list myself as the Sultan of Brunei, I could use an extra billion or so.
ABC and now Fox are also confirming the Argentinian bomb threat. Not so far fetched really... PA 103's bomb was supposed to detonate over the North Atlantic.
Spokespeople are always really quick to discount terrorism, but without the evidence to the contrary, it's more of a PR move than anything else.
I'm not saying it was a bomb or not, I'm just saying the wreckage hasn't even been found yet, everything is still on the table.
06-03-2009, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBigAir
ABC and now Fox are also confirming the Argentinian bomb threat. Not so far fetched really... PA 103's bomb was supposed to detonate over the North Atlantic.
Spokespeople are always really quick to discount terrorism, but without the evidence to the contrary, it's more of a PR move than anything else.
I'm not saying it was a bomb or not, I'm just saying the wreckage hasn't even been found yet, everything is still on the table.
Spokespeople are always really quick to discount terrorism, but without the evidence to the contrary, it's more of a PR move than anything else.
I'm not saying it was a bomb or not, I'm just saying the wreckage hasn't even been found yet, everything is still on the table.
THat said, it doesn't discount the theory of some lone nutbag with a death wish or other such thing, but "organized" terrorism is most likely out.
06-03-2009, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
The thing with terrorist events is that the terrorists want people to know what they did. That is the point of terrorist actions. To draw media attention to your cause. The fact that no one has claimed responsibility tends to support the discounting of terrorism.
THat said, it doesn't discount the theory of some lone nutbag with a death wish or other such thing, but "organized" terrorism is most likely out.
THat said, it doesn't discount the theory of some lone nutbag with a death wish or other such thing, but "organized" terrorism is most likely out.
06-03-2009, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
News just showed that investigators are not optimistic that the black FDR/CVR will ever be found if it sinks to the ocean floor. Brazilians are taking charge of recovery efforts, and the closest diver on scene is still a day away. The French are of course leading the way of the investigation. They're saying the black box is only waterproof for 30 days...
Can't they make one that can float??? Heck, if an A-320 can float on the Hudson for almost a whole day, why don't they design the black box that way?
Can't they make one that can float??? Heck, if an A-320 can float on the Hudson for almost a whole day, why don't they design the black box that way?
Finding the sonar pinger is one thing. Actually recovering the boxes could be far more difficult, depending on the water depth. The deeper it gets, the fewer options you have. However, there is no ocean depth on earth which has not already been reached by the navy. It's just a matter of cost and time to get the equipment on station.
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