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Old 08-31-2009 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by taymor1234
I lived in Oslo Norway for more then 23 yrs. I cant tell you how much I hate it.


all norwegian are so lazy people. They have this horrible system that makes you abuse the system...
Not true, not all Norwegians are lazy, far from it... Some are abusing the system but look at our welfare-moms, many have never, not once, held a job!

Create a system people can abuse and guess what, people will abuse it. It's the human nature...

Let's keep comparing the living conditions here and there for those who might be interested in becoming an expat, but let's do it without vilifying the host nation's citizens (and yes, I know you used to and maybe still are a citizen of Norway).
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Old 08-31-2009 | 03:39 PM
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... As others have said, if you don't like it, go home...

...In the meantime, try and do all of the rest of us open-minded Americans a favor, and not perpetuate the obnoxious, intolerant, and ethno-centric stereotype of the USA.
Do you really mean it? So an immigrant can only speak up when praising his host nation but the minute he/she complains - GO HOME!?

What was it you said about perpetuating "the obnoxious, intolerant, and ethno-centric stereotype of the USA"?

If he lives and works there legally, pays his taxes like the rest of his coworkers do I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to speak up whether we agree or disagree with his message...
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Old 08-31-2009 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
Do you really mean it? So an immigrant can only speak up when praising his host nation but the minute he/she complains - GO HOME!?

What was it you said about perpetuating "the obnoxious, intolerant, and ethno-centric stereotype of the USA"?

If he lives and works there legally, pays his taxes like the rest of his coworkers do I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to speak up whether we agree or disagree with his message...
True.. But when you give a review or share an experience you should include a complete review. Dont say TAXES ARE HIGH!!! without sharing what they cover...

And BTW av8or... I am not a socialist liberal voter in Norway. I actually lean on the right side.

Not that left, right, red, blue matters.. It is possible to have a stance somewhere in between.. Something you dont see here in "God's country"
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Old 08-31-2009 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by s10an
True.. But when you give a review or share an experience you should include a complete review. Dont say TAXES ARE HIGH!!! without sharing what they cover...
I agree, it'd be nice if he brought up some positive experiences too but I still like the fact he actually speaks up and describes things the way he sees them...


Originally Posted by s10an
And BTW av8or... I am not a socialist liberal voter in Norway. I actually lean on the right side.

Not that left, right, red, blue matters.. It is possible to have a stance somewhere in between.. Something you dont see here in "God's country"
Well, remember that the "red" and the "blue" colors here in the US represent totally opposite ideologies than how the rest of the world sees it - still trying to figure that one out...

...and I disagree with you, plenty of "centrist" views here in "God's country" as well. The fact religion is not a dirty word in the US like it is in most of Europe, especially in Scandinavia is something I applaud by the way...

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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:01 PM
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73 - what kind of work visa/permit did you get? Is it time limited? Can you look for other flying jobs or is your visa tied to "your" airline only?
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
...and I disagree with you, plenty of "centrist" views here in "God's country" as well. The fact religion is not a dirty word in the US like it is in most of Europe, especially in Scandinavia is something I applaud by the way...

Ha det...
The views are there, but when you vote for who will run the country it seems that it is one or the other here..

Im not sure what you mean by religion is not a dirty word in the US like it is in Europe. Are you saying Americans are more open minded?
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:32 PM
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This thread is heading down the line of *my politics versus your politics* and religion - both of which are not in line with the TOS. AV8OR and s10an - if you would like to continue this conversation on the PMs - please feel free. Continuing down that particular road on the public forum will cause it to be shutdown.

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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by s10an
The views are there, but when you vote for who will run the country it seems that it is one or the other here..

Im not sure what you mean by religion is not a dirty word in the US like it is in Europe. Are you saying Americans are more open minded?
Because of my dad's past contract jobs I've had the privilage of living in 5 different countries prior to the US - my personal experience is that Americans are absolutely more open minded than the average European.

Often they're reserved and suspicious but they're always curious and interested. Once they don't feel threatened by you they'll accept you as "one of the guys."

Europeans might appear open-minded and knowledgable but very often have made up their mind about the "foreigner" before he or she even had a chance to speak up.

I know I'm generalizing here and there are numerous exceptions to the rule but you asked my opinion so there you have it...

How about we agree to disagree and move on to the comparisons of pilots' conditions here versus Norway and other countries?
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by s10an
The views are there, but when you vote for who will run the country it seems that it is one or the other here..
I agree with this observation. I realize there are exceptions, but it seems that once a dem/rep always a dem/rep. During the last election I read an article saying the election campaigns are really only for the few independents out there, the majority have already made up their mind before the campaigns even start.

It also seems like a lot of people base their vote on ONE main issue (abortion, gun control and so on) and not looking at the whole spectrum of views that the candidates represent.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
Because of my dad's past contract jobs I've had the privilage of living in 5 different countries prior to the US - my personal experience is that Americans are absolutely more open minded than the average European.
I guess you and me have to agree to disagree on this too . Through out all my years living in various countries I rarely come across americans living abroad. That tells me they are not willing or curious to experience new cultures. Americans going to McDondald's when visiting Europe, does that sound familiar?

Again, there are of course exceptions just like with everything else.

I must say I have noticed a new trend lately among US pilots. In these difficult times in our industry a lot more guys, younger in particular, seem to be open to moving overseas. I think this is great since they will hopefully bring home and share their experiences with others.
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