Z_Pilot

I have an opportunity to get a fairly nice job in China. However, they require that my VMC circling limitation be removed from my ATP. That's fine and all, however, the way my licence reads is that it seems to be tied to each of my type ratings.
Below is how my ATP reads:
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(Name) (Lic#)
XII Ratings

Airline Transport Pilot
Airplane Multiengine Land
B737; CL-65; EMB-145
Commercial Privileges
Airplane Single Engine Land

XII Limitations

English Proficient
ATP Circ. Apch. - VMC Only
B737 CL-65 EMB-145 Circ. Apch. - VMC Only
B737 SIC Privileges Only

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So my question is this:
Do I have to get the limitation removed from each of my type ratings to satisfy my ATP circling approach restriction? Thanks.

BLott4

No, I have no limitation on my C56X type. You need to show proficiency in whatever type you want to use there. Caveat- I would call your local FSDO to confirm.

Twin Wasp

I'm going to guess you'd have to do three circles to remove the restriction from three types. Didn't see anything in the FSIMS about removing the circling restriction. My logic is you've never done a circle to land. If you had a couple types at the COMM level and then got an ATP, the types upgrade because you were held to ATP standards even for a type on a PVT. You would had done everything to the ATP level, just didn't have a place to put it.

You're at the other end of the scale. The type rating is for that aircraft. Think about. Why would I have to show a 2 engine out approach and landing in a 747 if I've done one in a 727? In fact, why have the checkride? I've done steep turns and stalls in an airplane, just not this one. Let's just do the oral and fill out the paperwork.

At least that's the way I see it.

rotorhead1026

As BLott4 noted ...for China, you need only to remove the restriction for the aircraft you will actually fly. Most of the "famous" sim training companies have programs tailored for this. I'd call one of them to confirm the steps required; they do this all the time.

Here's one. I'm not endorsing since I've never been there; it's just an example.

Pan Am Academy: Proficiency Check PC



As you noted, the restriction isn't on your ATP per se; it's attached to each type rating. EDIT ... OOOPS, now I see the note above the type ratings. Yes, you must have taken the initial ATP ride on one of your type rides. I'm almost certain the act of removing one type restriction will remove the master one. Avoid calling a FSDO; call one of the sim companies who do such things.

need2fly

He DOES have a restriction on his ATP. I am guessing he got his ATP with one of his type rides and there was no circle, thus the restriction. You will need to get it removed from the ATP as well as the aircraft to be flown in China.

rotorhead1026

Right ... I see the note above the types now. It's still the same "mini - checkride", IIRC. Again, the training outfit can confirm this.

Thedude

The way I understand it, if you want the circling restriction completely removed from your certificate, you will have to check a check ride in each type. Lets say you take a checkride in the CL-65. The CL-65 will have the restriction removed but the 737 and EMB-120 will still have the circling restriction. I had a coworker with the same problem and that is what the training center told him.

One would think having the circling restriction removed from the airplane you intend to fly in China would be good enough but that ain't the way things necessarily operate in China.

rotorhead1026

Every agency that I know of says you need only remove the one attached to the airplane type you're going to fly (and your certificate as well, as noted above). However, yeah, I agree that anything can happen.

captjns

Contact your local FSDO for the accurate answer.

pokey9554

You have the restriction on the ATP because you never demonstrated a circle for any of the type ratings. The limitation on the ATP is separate from each type rating. To remove the restriction from the ATP, you would simply have to complete that ATP ride in anything, but demonstrate a circle maneuver. To remove the circling restriction from a specific type, you'd have to demonstrate a circle in that type. Demonstrating a circle maneuver in whatever type you want the restriction removed from, will also remove the restriction from the ATP.