Qatar Airways
04-10-2015 | 12:25 PM
#11
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Qatar Airways
Sometimes more than 100 hours. Apparently they changed the law over there so it's only 100 hours of "seat" time. So if your doing the long haul stuff, time spent sleeping in the rack doesn't count so guys are going well over 100/month.
The guys I know we're on the -330 and the -777.
The guys I know we're on the -330 and the -777.
They are getting paid well for that sack time too...I've heard it's not uncommon for the long haul guys to credit 130 hours of flight pay a month.
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04-10-2015 | 12:58 PM
#12
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I know a regional CA that went over there. He was there less than a year, then he came running back to the US and re-started at the regional he originally left for 22,000/yr again. Should tell you a lot.
Basically, your paid a lot of money, to be a treated and worked like complete slave. Flying 100/hrs a month almost every month (which is painful if your doing long haul stuff) with 6-8 days off. The catch is that they sometimes they give you your days off on the road. Your also required to live in Doha and your schedule is specifically built so you can't commute home. My friend said the company sells potential candidates on getting 42 days off per year, but now that there are better options and the company is having staffing issues; most guys are only getting about 30 OFF a year. There's also no guarantee that they'll be consecutive. I believe there is a $30,000 training bond if you bail early, or just never go back to Qatar. Not 100% on that though.
There is also a atmosphere of George Orwell's 1984 going on. The company is heavily relies on fear to keep its employees under control. They've been on the radar of Amnesty International along with other human rights organizations because of they're treatment of foreign workers.
Go to the forums of pprune.org, this is the best site for information on airlines in the Middle East and Asia. There's a ton of information on Qatar on there, should tell you everything you need to know.
I think Emirates and the" other airline in Abu Dhabi" (there's a supposed restraining order from them to be discussed on the internet) is a better deal.
Good Luck.
Basically, your paid a lot of money, to be a treated and worked like complete slave. Flying 100/hrs a month almost every month (which is painful if your doing long haul stuff) with 6-8 days off. The catch is that they sometimes they give you your days off on the road. Your also required to live in Doha and your schedule is specifically built so you can't commute home. My friend said the company sells potential candidates on getting 42 days off per year, but now that there are better options and the company is having staffing issues; most guys are only getting about 30 OFF a year. There's also no guarantee that they'll be consecutive. I believe there is a $30,000 training bond if you bail early, or just never go back to Qatar. Not 100% on that though.
There is also a atmosphere of George Orwell's 1984 going on. The company is heavily relies on fear to keep its employees under control. They've been on the radar of Amnesty International along with other human rights organizations because of they're treatment of foreign workers.
Go to the forums of pprune.org, this is the best site for information on airlines in the Middle East and Asia. There's a ton of information on Qatar on there, should tell you everything you need to know.
I think Emirates and the" other airline in Abu Dhabi" (there's a supposed restraining order from them to be discussed on the internet) is a better deal.
Good Luck.
04-10-2015 | 06:38 PM
#15
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I'm just passing on what my friends that were there told me. I have no axe to grind. I thought that "100 hours of seat time," was implemented in Qatar also? not just the UAE. I have been to the sandbox before and am familiar with the culture, just not to Doha.
Good Luck to the original poster.
Good Luck to the original poster.
04-10-2015 | 08:59 PM
#16
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I'm at QR now, but haven't even finished training yet. Joined as a B777 DEC. Personally, I couldn't be happier so far. So much of your happiness depends on your expectations and what you're comparing your situation to. For me, for the last 7 years I've bounced around from one scum bag charter 767 operator to another from the USA to Middle East to Africa to Thailand. I was just so tired of old airplanes, substandard maintenance, substandard hotels, constant schedule changes, and companies failing or at least paying late. So now I feel like I'm in heaven! The equipment is new. They buy airplanes with all the bells and whistles. They don't skimp on anything. Pay is decent. I've lived in better places and I've lived in worse, but Doha isn't bad at all. My American friends who have been here 5 or 6 years are happy. All airline pilots find something to complain about, whether it is AA, UA, DL or QR. There is no more complaining here than at any other major. There are advantages to being here, and some disadvantages. It isn't perfect, but it is a very good job. The attitude and approach to training is very much the western mindset we Americans are used to (believe me, that isn't true in much of the world and it can be a shock in some overseas jobs). This is a much better job for a DEC than for an F/O. Captains are treated like CAPTAINS here. There is a much higher level of respect here than in the USA. Do your research. Come over for the interview and look the place over. Remember, the 2% complainers who constantly whine about everything and wouldn't be happy anywhere will find their way to pprune to vent and whine, but the other 98% have no reason to even go to those web sites. Go to pprune for information, but recognize that you are getting a skewed viewpoint by those who have an agenda.
04-14-2015 | 11:54 AM
#17
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I'm at QR now, but haven't even finished training yet. Joined as a B777 DEC. Personally, I couldn't be happier so far. So much of your happiness depends on your expectations and what you're comparing your situation to. For me, for the last 7 years I've bounced around from one scum bag charter 767 operator to another from the USA to Middle East to Africa to Thailand. I was just so tired of old airplanes, substandard maintenance, substandard hotels, constant schedule changes, and companies failing or at least paying late. So now I feel like I'm in heaven! The equipment is new. They buy airplanes with all the bells and whistles. They don't skimp on anything. Pay is decent. I've lived in better places and I've lived in worse, but Doha isn't bad at all. My American friends who have been here 5 or 6 years are happy. All airline pilots find something to complain about, whether it is AA, UA, DL or QR. There is no more complaining here than at any other major. There are advantages to being here, and some disadvantages. It isn't perfect, but it is a very good job. The attitude and approach to training is very much the western mindset we Americans are used to (believe me, that isn't true in much of the world and it can be a shock in some overseas jobs). This is a much better job for a DEC than for an F/O. Captains are treated like CAPTAINS here. There is a much higher level of respect here than in the USA. Do your research. Come over for the interview and look the place over. Remember, the 2% complainers who constantly whine about everything and wouldn't be happy anywhere will find their way to pprune to vent and whine, but the other 98% have no reason to even go to those web sites. Go to pprune for information, but recognize that you are getting a skewed viewpoint by those who have an agenda.
If you can consistently get 15 OFF per month flying long haul, maybe I'll finish my app.
Thanks.
05-07-2015 | 02:31 PM
#19
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Please keep us updated on your experiences there and your schedule. I started to apply there but I've literally heard nothing but horror stories from people I knew personally that went and the stuff I've read only.
If you can consistently get 15 OFF per month flying long haul, maybe I'll finish my app.
Thanks.
If you can consistently get 15 OFF per month flying long haul, maybe I'll finish my app.
Thanks.
I will echo that it is a better gig for DEC than DFO.
Cheers
05-07-2015 | 07:45 PM
#20
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Just over a year on here, I fly 80-90 hrs per month and get 12-14 off, DEC 777. Not a bad gig, Doha isn't paradise but I go home on days off. The general sentiment on the internet boards about ME jobs seems to lag a few years behind reality..
I will echo that it is a better gig for DEC than DFO.
Cheers
I will echo that it is a better gig for DEC than DFO.
Cheers
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