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Old 06-21-2017, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by amaineiac View Post
Are you saying the union didn't expend enough negotiating capital on you guys? Based on your lack of participation at pickets, and just doing your jobs (instead of extending a $%# ton), the union probably assumed things were pretty good for the GLC crews. They focused their efforts on the pilots that showed their dissatisfaction with the contract by picketing and not going above and beyond during negotiations.

If you were one of the few that showed up to a picket, or said "no thanks" to an offer to extend, thanks. If you were one of the guys that decided to extend and spend an extra night in Rome, or couldn't be bothered to attend one of the pickets, I hope you enjoy your middle seat, you earned it.
I'm saying ML and a lot of other people in the union leadership have a major axe to grind against former NJI pilots and very senior NJA pilots and that resulted in them not lifting a finger to improve ANYTHING GLC related.

As for me, I have 5 picket pins, haven't extended since GW Bush was President, voted NO and STILL only do my job.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by amaineiac View Post
No it's not. Had the GLC guys just done their jobs, and not extended, that would have put a lot more pressure on the company. Selling off an XL trip from FL to NY is a lot different than selling off a London to Chicago. Did you see the monthly posts on the MB showing who extended? It was pretty much the same group, month after month.
I'm with you, I agree that they shouldn't have extended. However the main issue is that the pilot group and union gave up so much just to get a raise that didn't even cover inflation. All the picketing and media coverage had management so vulnerable towards the end, and the pilot group and union blew it, a wasted prime opportunity. I can't believe what was given up for that little gain, and good luck trying to gain any of it back in 8 years.
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:30 AM
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The GLC captains should have gotten less.

Between their extending and years of service - they have shown both their willingness to accept whatever the company offers and no indication of being a threat to leave or of striking.

As a result, the pay for the bottom 25% virtually guarantees you'll have nothing but a revolving door for the next 10+ years.

Should have given the most senior crews NOTHING, walked back their pay (or made the entire payscale not seat dependant) and tried to push them into retirement.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO View Post
The GLC captains should have gotten less.

Between their extending and years of service - they have shown both their willingness to accept whatever the company offers and no indication of being a threat to leave or of striking.

As a result, the pay for the bottom 25% virtually guarantees you'll have nothing but a revolving door for the next 10+ years.

Should have given the most senior crews NOTHING, walked back their pay (or made the entire payscale not seat dependant) and tried to push them into retirement.
7 more months, good things are coming bro
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:29 PM
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It has been said the union folded when the leverage was maximized.

Why?
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:40 PM
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It has been said the union folded when the leverage was maximized.

Why?
Why has it been said, or why did they do that?
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:14 PM
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Both?
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by amaineiac View Post
No it's not. Had the GLC guys just done their jobs, and not extended, that would have put a lot more pressure on the company. Selling off an XL trip from FL to NY is a lot different than selling off a London to Chicago. Did you see the monthly posts on the MB showing who extended? It was pretty much the same group, month after month.
You have a valid point. In that regard, I can see how the long range crews made their own bed. However, what I can't begin to understand is why the FO long-range pay scale was removed, while the PIC long-range scale was maintained. It's no secret that the vast majority of these captains rely on the younger/faster/sharper FO next to them to keep them out of trouble. And then the union threw them under the bus. There should never have been a separate pay scale for anyone. Pay by seniority only...period.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
As for me, I have 5 picket pins, haven't extended since GW Bush was President, voted NO and STILL only do my job.
Thank you. I think the outcome would have been different had there been more like you.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by amaineiac View Post
Thank you. I think the outcome would have been different had there been more like you.
Doubtful. The percentages of issues and occurrences is not uncommon to the industry. All the airlines have guys gobbling up open time, plenty of non participation at pickets and other awareness events and those that will never fatigue, not write broken stuff up etc. if the union had held its ground on lots of issues and sections, as well as really listened to the pilot group, it would have been different. Just because pay is important, doesn't mean you give everything else up to raise salaries.
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