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Old 11-09-2017, 07:45 PM   #11
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Got another quick look at the Latitude recently. Love the G5000 cockpit - easy to use and super capable. Since both the 350 and Latitude fly a lot, I think it comes down to cockpit comfort since you will spend a lot of time in the airplane.

Any 350 or Latitude pilots care to comment about comfort up front? How are the seats? How much wider is the Latitude vs the narrower Sovereign?
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Old 11-10-2017, 05:16 AM   #12
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Got another quick look at the Latitude recently. Love the G5000 cockpit - easy to use and super capable. Since both the 350 and Latitude fly a lot, I think it comes down to cockpit comfort since you will spend a lot of time in the airplane.

Any 350 or Latitude pilots care to comment about comfort up front? How are the seats? How much wider is the Latitude vs the narrower Sovereign?
I think about a foot wider.
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Old 11-10-2017, 06:33 AM   #13
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The 350 doesnít suck, itís a good airplane to fly. The trips and duty days are nothing worse than other fleets. Iíve not flown the latitude, but having spent 7 years in the sovereign Iím sure itís a good plane as well. Management will only abuse you if you allow them to. Take it one leg at a time, DNIF when you are sick, fatigue when you are tired, delay/cancel when the weather is not safe and write up the jet when itís broke.

In the past there have been slower fleets, those days are gone. All of the new fleets work hard. Expect it and manage it as a professional and you wonít be abused.
I wasn't saying the airplane itself sucks- just the way it is used by NetJets because it is so capable of accomplishing almost any mission the company has. I fully agree that the individual pilots HAVE to be willing to fatigue whenever they must. We must all recondition our minds to feel no remorse when calling in fatigued and then actually go ahead and call in guilt free whenever safety demands it. That is definitely not the case now with the majority.

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I wasn't saying the airplane itself sucks- just the way it is used by NetJets because it is so capable of accomplishing almost any mission the company has. I fully agree that the individual pilots HAVE to be willing to fatigue whenever they must. We must all recondition our minds to feel no remorse when calling in fatigued and then actually go ahead and call in guilt free whenever safety demands it. That is definitely not the case now with the majority.

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Understood, the way NetJets uses the airplane isnít the blood bath some make it out to be. You will fly 400+ hours a year in the 350 at NetJets. Your total duty time however will be equal to people in fleets that fly less than that. So the real question is do you like STBY/Hot Spare duty or do you want to fly? In my time in the fleet we fly 5-7 hours before we get to 10 hours of duty and go to the hotel.

The other good thing about the 350 is Cessna didnít design the seat. A 6 hour leg in the 350 doesnít hurt like a 4 hour leg in the 680.
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Any NJA 350 or Latitude care to list pro's/con's of their fleets?

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Old 11-13-2017, 01:36 PM   #16
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Any NJA 350 or Latitude care to list pro's/con's of their fleets?
I was in the Latitude before I left Netjets; in the Excel for many years before that. Here are a few of my thoughts:

Pros:
Dramatically more comfortable cockpit than the other Citations - Wider and longer (it has legroom!)
Autothrottles, and they work very well
Garmin 5000 cockpit is very user-friendly
Cabin wide, comfortable, and easy to restock.
Keurig machine is awesome to have
Refrigerated catering cabinet sized very well and works great
Electric door is nice, if you remember to close it before pulling battery
Had enough AOGs to lessen the NJA fatigue calls
Low cabin altitude made a noticeable drop in fatigue level for me

Cons:
Crew bag storage limited to strangely-shaped cubby-holes opposite galley
Coffee maker leaks a lot, and its power source had frequent issues
High-tech, expensive, monitored exterior latches frequently malfunction
Curtain in front of cabin door frequently would come out of its track


Between the two, I would (and did) choose the Latitude specifically because it's less reliable than the CL350.
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:02 PM   #17
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They all go to TEB and are equipped with circadian shifts and cross-country airline rides to chase down.
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:03 PM   #18
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My 2 cents:

If you are planning on staying - Latitude
If you are looking or worried about a furlough - 350

this is for FOs
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Depends if you're senior to me and want the 52 day.

350 is a good airplane but has long legs on it. In five days we flew almost 40 hours including a fatigue call. The plus side is the airplane doesn't wear you out like the smaller cabin aircraft tend to.
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Thanks for the insight.

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