Netjets vs Flexjets
02-03-2020, 04:15 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by JTwift
you log PIC when you sign for the plane, not when you’re flying it. Until you upgrade you log SIC, even when it’s your leg to fly.
That is incorrect when you’re referring to logging PIC time per 14 CFR 61.51(e). Now, if you’re referring to what a potential future employer wants to count as PIC time, all bets are off as each has their own criteria.
02-03-2020, 04:24 AM
#182
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Originally Posted by Bulldog08
The upgrade time bothers me a bit. So what is it now realistically? 6-8 years? However, even though you upgrade fast at Flex, sounds like you get locked into the phenom for a very long time. It’s hard to calculate with all of netjets soft pay, but it seems you can make just as much money as a netjet FO compared to the flex phenom captain. Does this seems accurate? If I make this move, I’m looking for a career not a time builder. So the lack of PIC time doesn’t bother me much. I’m assuming they let you fly the plane as an FO so you can log PIC anyway while you are “manipulating the control” for that leg.
NetJets for the career move.
Flex for the fast upgrade and time building.
There’s a reason the upgrade is 14 years right now. Part of that was a hiring lull in a bad economy (felt by the entire industry) for about 7-8 years. Part of that is because attrition since that period from NetJets is historically low. Pilots like it.
Beware a fast upgrade. There’s a reason for it.
PS... don’t get fancy with logging PIC time. When it’s YOUR aircraft, you’re signing for it... log that time as PIC. If you aren’t the PIC, don’t log the time as such.
02-03-2020, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
Why is logging time strictly per FAA regulation considered “fancy”?
Because if you log PIC when you're not PIC the rest of your application would look suspect too. Like the guys that have 50% of their time logged as instrument. It looks bad. Just be honest. You won't impress anyone at an interview with your knowledge of FAA loopholes.
02-03-2020, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
Why is logging time strictly per FAA regulation considered “fancy”?
If you want the job, you won’t get creative. You’ll log it properly.
That is a blanket statement for every recruitment department.
FARs have nothing to do with recruitments opinion of PIC time. I’m trying to help you and want to be as unambiguous as possible.
02-03-2020, 06:36 AM
#186
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
JTwift ,
That is incorrect when you’re referring to logging PIC time per 14 CFR 61.51(e). Now, if you’re referring to what a potential future employer wants to count as PIC time, all bets are off as each has their own criteria.
That is incorrect when you’re referring to logging PIC time per 14 CFR 61.51(e). Now, if you’re referring to what a potential future employer wants to count as PIC time, all bets are off as each has their own criteria.
I know of at least one individual who had their CJO negated when the prospective airline found out about the log book games that you’re suggesting. I’d recommend playing it straight if moving on is even remotely a possibility.
02-07-2020, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time
Just keep it simple. You sign for the airplane you are PIC no matter who is flying. If you fly and don’t sign for it then you are SIC. This makes it so you can never be questioned on why you did it any other way.
What he said! You’re not the PIC unless your company designates you as so. If you have to fancy your logbook to make career advances, best of luck
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