chase

Yes, agreed..the model has not been changed much except for some operators who have a “flex” schedule that is not so rigid but it is usually a schedule more senior pilots at those operators get..newbies aren’t likely to get those.

XO has that but I am not familiar enough to lay out all the details..I think less than 10% of the 200 pilots fly it but don’t quote me on that number...still new myself and learning.

MOGuy

There are, but you’ll be on call 75 days per quarter. Hard to make plans. Also I doubt they would allow for homebasing. The 8/6 is unbalanced but at least when you’re off, you’re off. NJ has 7/7 but you spend you days at the airport 14 hrs even when you’re not flying for the 7 on. At least that’s my understanding. Flex has a PBS I think that can allow for 3-4 day trips but not sure how great it is.

JTwift

Yeah I’m considering the NJ 7/7 and the Flex PBS, but I’ve heard the PBS by seniority just leaves a lot of 8/5 schedules for all but the top people. ???

jtf560

My average overnight is almost 16 hours on the 7&7 on the Global. That isn't the case for most fleets, but averaging 14 on per day has never been the case at NetJets. Plenty of pilots loved to complain and say they were working 14/10 all the time, but the duty reports refuted that even in the bad times. When I was on the super busy XL during the Hansel punative scheduling for all days, my average overnight was around 11 hours. That was the worst of times. My best guess now is that the average duty day is between 10 and 11 hours on now with close to 14 off with the FDP program evening out the flying fleet wide. Part of that duty on time is also often at the hotel like others have mentioned. The company has gotten better at scheduling pilots to get a lot of flying out of reasonable duty days. There is also the fatigue call any pilot can make any time without getting fired. All that said, if you want to fly for the majors, suck it up and ride the regional train there. 121 gets the time and experience that the majors want the most.

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Phoenix21

I would recommend going to PSA instead of Piedmont, or Envoy after they get their pay raise.

Piedmont has the lowest QOL out of the three AA Wholly Owned regionals. Piedmont pilots work 5-8 days more per month than their line holding peers at PSA, equating to 60-90 days more each year, for less money.

Even junior line holders at Envoy get 13-15 days off.

At Piedmont, senior line holders get 11-12 days off. Throughout the year.

Fonzo

Thank you for your kind reply
May I ask which regional you fly for and how did you make 96k the first, all regionals I came across with have between 36-50 per hour and guranteed min 75.

Fonzo

Thanks!
So does xojets cover ATP-CTP, do they have reserve, what are the domiciles, upgrade time and is there like a flow to SWA
Thanks again

Fonzo

PSA just raised their hourly rate to 50 but there are a lot of talk about the reserve time in Junior bases, which might not give me an opportunity to accumulate 1000 part 121.
Thank you so much

JohnBurke

Alright, but only because you asked nicely.

It's advice.

chase

1. You have to have an ATP to apply if that is what you mean. They pay for the training for the Citation X or Challenger 300. There is a one year pay back for the training.

2. No reserve. Schedules are either 8/6, 15/13 or a "flex schedule (fewest options and goes very senior).

3. No domiciles, "home basing". If you live near an airport with regular mainline/regional air service, XO flies you to and from on your start day (either Tues or Wed) and end day. Many 135 companies do that, not unique for XO but for a commuter like myself for 13 yrs, it is a nice stress reducer.

4. Upgrades in the X is around 1 yr, possibly less. The Challenger is little longer 18 months or so. XO keeps a ratio of about 60/40 CAs and FOs.

5. No flow thru to any operation but a large number of XO folks have gotten hired at SWA. I know the reputation of XO pilots who have been hired by SWA in the eyes of the hiring department is high.....no guarantees but the culture is similar (being former SWA I can say that with confidence).

Hope that helps