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#11
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Six months ago Flex was at two years. Today it's "who knows?". As with other fracs, attrition has slowed to a crawl as has growth. I'm looking forward to four year FO pay, with an upgrade after that. But that's just a WAG....
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How else would you look at it? I don't mean to sound condescending, but it's really simple math. Upgrades are a result of two things; Growth and Attrition.
And with a fractional airline you don't have an age rule to help you with attrition. It's just net growth of planes on property and AMEs telling guys they can't fly anymore.
And with a fractional airline you don't have an age rule to help you with attrition. It's just net growth of planes on property and AMEs telling guys they can't fly anymore.
Well, thanks for asking.
I see NJAs ability to exceed 3000 pilots as a direct result of finishing the 195 million dollar training center in CMH and getting all 26 sims online. Until that happens, we can't get access to enough sim slots to do all of the type of training that we do here at NetJets.
I see the flight center beginning construction in the next 18-24 months. it will likely take a good 24 months to build and who knows about the sims... they get certified when they get certified.
4 years minimum until the center is up and riunning and our ability to hire like a major airline (1,000/yr) becomes a reality.
I think anyone truly interested in being a pilot for NJA should apply right now. It doesn't mean you will be a SIC for 7 years though. Plenty of attrition till then.
Right now, as time passes... less seniority is passing in the water going under the bridge (with current hiring numbers). When the flight center is done, the water will speed up... considerably.
Bottom line: If you like NJA, apply. I wish I would have gotten here a few years earlier. I would have skipped the whole airline thing altogether. Oh well. Got here when I did. Glad I did.
And in regards to the age limitation thing... Most of us plan on being done prior to 60. I want to be done by 50 at the latest. Good for the ancient ones... if they like it, they should stay in. I'll be on the beach.
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I wouldn't look for large amounts of attrition in a short term (like we used to see), no.
I would look to lock in a seniority number ASAP and in the meantime, a certain amount of attrition will happen, as it always does.
Retirements, medicals, terminations.
I know of at least 10 this year personally for all of the above. The more junior a piiot is, the more (any) attrition helps.
Attrition will be low... in fact, this may help to actually coun thte actual number of pilots who leave NetJets this year.

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If upgrade is that important to you, go somewhere other than NJ. Those are the facts. However, if you are young (maybe not even that young) and are looking for a career , upgrade times are not as important. Your choice.
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Is command that important to you? Time off? Bennies? Perks? Aircraft type? Do you have BJS?(Big Jet Syndrome)
I too think NJ is a great company. Try to compare everything there is at a company and decide what is best for you. I personally am hanging out at a regional until UPS or FedEx is hiring again in a year or so. The QOL at NJ sounds pretty good, but I know the time off will be a little bit more at one of the two cargo carriers....depending on the line you can hold. 12 years from getting hired at either place would mean a command position and bring in over 75k MORE a year just on min guarantee.
The retirement at NJ is pretty good. I was lucky enough to have started an IRA when I was just out of high school and rolled that to a Roth IRA.
Try to know what YOU want. Then, research, research....and research.
I too think NJ is a great company. Try to compare everything there is at a company and decide what is best for you. I personally am hanging out at a regional until UPS or FedEx is hiring again in a year or so. The QOL at NJ sounds pretty good, but I know the time off will be a little bit more at one of the two cargo carriers....depending on the line you can hold. 12 years from getting hired at either place would mean a command position and bring in over 75k MORE a year just on min guarantee.
The retirement at NJ is pretty good. I was lucky enough to have started an IRA when I was just out of high school and rolled that to a Roth IRA.
Try to know what YOU want. Then, research, research....and research.
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