Originally Posted by cac737

Now why on earth would someone's PASSION get under your skin? When you were born, did your mother tell you that you were entitled to things at a certain point in your life? Are you from the "zero to right seat of an RJ in 50 hours" ab initio training generation? How does an old guy staying in the cockpit interfere with a young guy getting theirs?

Now before you think Im an "old guy" (i might be to you), this is my profile:
33 years old. been the victim of 3 furloughs with different airlines that dont exist anymore. one actually owed me several thousand $$$ for line flying that i never saw a dime of, because they shut down upbruptly. I have been flying for 15 years and havent been able to hold a job longer than 4 years (furloughs).

I dont begrudge anyone choosing to stay on past 65. My only concern is their "abilities" at that age, and about 98% of those i have flown with at those ages have been some of the finest sticks i have ever had the privelage of flying with and learning from! Someday i will be over 60 and if I should still have the passion for flying then as i do now, you can bet your ass I will still be plowing the skies around the world!

My advice to you is to redirect your focus and frustrations at "not getting yours" to an industry that still holds on to archaic and no longer relevant business models. As long as they current landscape doesnt change you can expect more pain before you will get to a point where your seniority will protect you from losing your job save for a company shutdown.

I have one question before i end this, when you get to be say 50, and your airline or company tells its rank and file, we can either furlough the back end of the list or everyone will have to take a 35% paycut right up to seniority #1 to keep the bottom half on the payroll, what would you vote?

I am willing to bet a day's salary that you wouldnt flinch before voting to furlough, since you would be darned if after putting in your dues and time and scratching and clawing your way to a pretty good seniority position, plane, salary and quality of life, you would be expected to give up 35% of that for a kid who just got hired at an age before he can even buy a drink and probably still gets subsidies from his parents (still lives with them).

Grow up, change your attitude and you might be priveleged to learn something from someone who has been there and done that. Chances are they would be delighted to pass on some hard earned "pointers" before they hang it up. Boy will life slap you hard in the face when some young un tells you to get the %$# out when youre old so they can have theirs!

Originally Posted by cargo hopeful

The only thing that matters is LUCK (having a high enough seniority number in the company to avoid a furlough).

Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed

Does anyone know what is the earliest DOH these furloughs will go back to?

Originally Posted by upsiddwn

April 27,2008

There were 12 in the that class and 6 will be furloughed and 6 made the cut.

If there are some LOA's and voluntary resignations (Buyouts) this could adjust.

Originally Posted by cargo hopeful

Holy crap I can’t believe it, Citation Shares furloughs! Wow, what a year this has been! It was a total shock when I saw Airnet furlough earlier this year and now this! Well there goes that theory that fractional and cargo is the safest. I guess there is no such thing. The only thing that matters is LUCK (having a high enough seniority number in the company to avoid a furlough).