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09-06-2006, 05:16 PM

#41

surreal1221

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Originally Posted by jmack

I've said it long before this accident, Gliders should be required to have a transponder.

Yup

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Originally Posted by Bulletboy

Flying the star into ABQ from the southeast almost hit a glider in a 727 doing 350 kias. It was lucky it was circling away from our path as we passed.

The kicker is it was right on the arrival at 19,500. We were heads down, looked up, and there it went. Happened very fast. I didn't know it was physically possible to urinate my pants that fast.

Told ABQ center, and he said he did not have a target...not even a primary.

Seals the deal. Of course AOPA would **** a brick if their GA glider friends had to carry an XPDR.

09-06-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Yup

Seals the deal. Of course AOPA would **** a brick if their GA glider friends had to carry an XPDR.

Of course. They can carry a ton of O2 equipment so that they can play with the big boys at 330, but can't carry a battery and a transponder? Give me a break.

09-07-2006, 05:04 AM

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Transponder is required!

If anyone knows different, please respond; I thought all aircraft in positive control airspace (about 17,999 ft msl) are required to be on an IFR FP and have the required equipment??

09-07-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dckozak

If anyone knows different, please respond; I thought all aircraft in positive control airspace (about 17,999 ft msl) are required to be on an IFR FP and have the required equipment??

I do not know the details, but there are some waivers for gliders. That's how they get all those 50,000 foot records. Might be smart to at least have them get a transponder though.

I think this collision happened at 16,000 feet or so though?

09-07-2006, 07:02 AM

#45

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Originally Posted by dckozak

If anyone knows different, please respond; I thought all aircraft in positive control airspace (about 17,999 ft msl) are required to be on an IFR FP and have the required equipment??

I am sure the glider we almost hit was piloted by some cowboy that didn't care he was floating around in class A airspace.

I am positive he did not have a waiver to be in class A right on a published arrival.

09-07-2006, 02:40 PM

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here.

If you're in Class A airspace, you're requiredd to have a transponder...day 1 of ground school.

If attempting a record or something special, it's possible to either comply with Class A airspace restrictions or do it in some other airspace (restricted area for example).

09-07-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine

If you're in Class A airspace, you're requiredd to have a transponder...day 1 of ground school.

You need a transponder above 10,000 MSL also. But gliders appear to be excluded from this rule. (91.215)

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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine

If attempting a record or something special, it's possible to either comply with Class A airspace restrictions or do it in some other airspace (restricted area for example).

You can probably make some special arrangements with the controlling agency. For example, the drop zone I work for made an arrangement with Center to conduct skydiving operations from 22,000 (VFR).