Midair Crash
09-09-2006, 03:13 PM
#61
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Alright , I would like to add to this one. Is it just me or don't most pilots have some level of self preservation. I mean if putting a small battery that can power a transponder for 2 or 3 hours could save 100's of lives ( or your own life for those selfish people out there), whats the big deal.
In light of some of the previous posts, A transponder is required by the regs above 10,000 MSL excluding airspace below 2,500 AGL. There is also the O2 requirement that these guys probably don't obey, or maybe they get waivers for that. I just find it hard to believe that I get hassled about some freakin' shaving gel and these guys can fly a virtual missle around unseen.
Can someone see a problem with National secuity on that one. Radar can't see it, and has the potential of intense damage to other aircraft. Well I guess thats all the raving I have time for right now.
XtremeF150
In light of some of the previous posts, A transponder is required by the regs above 10,000 MSL excluding airspace below 2,500 AGL. There is also the O2 requirement that these guys probably don't obey, or maybe they get waivers for that. I just find it hard to believe that I get hassled about some freakin' shaving gel and these guys can fly a virtual missle around unseen.
Can someone see a problem with National secuity on that one. Radar can't see it, and has the potential of intense damage to other aircraft. Well I guess thats all the raving I have time for right now.
XtremeF150
09-10-2006, 07:10 AM
#63
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wow, 1seat, with that way of thinking I'm glad your in the military where you can't think for yourself yet
Just kidding.
Lets see millions of birds flying at anytime, and a few 1000 gliders total, sounds like apples to oranges to me.
Just kidding.
Lets see millions of birds flying at anytime, and a few 1000 gliders total, sounds like apples to oranges to me.
09-10-2006, 05:11 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
Alright , I would like to add to this one. Is it just me or don't most pilots have some level of self preservation. I mean if putting a small battery that can power a transponder for 2 or 3 hours could save 100's of lives ( or your own life for those selfish people out there), whats the big deal.
In light of some of the previous posts, A transponder is required by the regs above 10,000 MSL excluding airspace below 2,500 AGL. There is also the O2 requirement that these guys probably don't obey, or maybe they get waivers for that. I just find it hard to believe that I get hassled about some freakin' shaving gel and these guys can fly a virtual missle around unseen.
Can someone see a problem with National secuity on that one. Radar can't see it, and has the potential of intense damage to other aircraft. Well I guess thats all the raving I have time for right now.
XtremeF150
In light of some of the previous posts, A transponder is required by the regs above 10,000 MSL excluding airspace below 2,500 AGL. There is also the O2 requirement that these guys probably don't obey, or maybe they get waivers for that. I just find it hard to believe that I get hassled about some freakin' shaving gel and these guys can fly a virtual missle around unseen.
Can someone see a problem with National secuity on that one. Radar can't see it, and has the potential of intense damage to other aircraft. Well I guess thats all the raving I have time for right now.
XtremeF150
09-10-2006, 05:16 PM
#67
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Originally Posted by GauleyPilot
It wouldn't suprise me any if blame was put on the Hawker crew for failing to "see and avoid".
What a bunch of crap. It is freaking hard to see a glider, and who know how it approached the Hawker.
I was curising along oneday in a C90,low altitude going into some of the world's busiest airspace, and all of a sudden a glider came up from under the nose and was right in front of us
!! ATC knew and saw nothing. We banked hard right and missed.
Thankfully, we were on an empty positioning leg, and we were not heads down in the cockpit or looking in a different direction.
Gliders can do their thing all they want--I think it's great. But being invisible and nordo around class B airports when you are mixing with arriving and departing aircraft?????????????
After seeing the pic of the panel, I think the crew in the Hawker displayed some airmanship.
What a bunch of crap. It is freaking hard to see a glider, and who know how it approached the Hawker.
I was curising along oneday in a C90,low altitude going into some of the world's busiest airspace, and all of a sudden a glider came up from under the nose and was right in front of us
!! ATC knew and saw nothing. We banked hard right and missed.Thankfully, we were on an empty positioning leg, and we were not heads down in the cockpit or looking in a different direction.
Gliders can do their thing all they want--I think it's great. But being invisible and nordo around class B airports when you are mixing with arriving and departing aircraft?????????????
After seeing the pic of the panel, I think the crew in the Hawker displayed some airmanship.
I didn't realise the glider problem was so bad. They should be required to use a transponder, especially like you said when they are operating around major airports. That crew should be commended! Everyone was so busy wondering why "she" left the gear up ..... forget the fact she thought she was 100% dead and still managed to get the aircraft back to the ground and walk away safely.
09-10-2006, 07:44 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by ryane946
Whoever said that gliders need transponders is completely clueless. Most the gliders I have flown don't even have a master switch (or a battery for that matter.) Remember that most gliders are only a few hundred pounds. Adding any weight extremely effects the preformance of the glider. Remember, gliders don't have engines!!! A high L/D ratio is crucial!
09-10-2006, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jmack
wow, 1seat, with that way of thinking I'm glad your in the military where you can't think for yourself yet
Just kidding.
Lets see millions of birds flying at anytime, and a few 1000 gliders total, sounds like apples to oranges to me.
Just kidding.
Lets see millions of birds flying at anytime, and a few 1000 gliders total, sounds like apples to oranges to me.
I'm just saying that when I ORM my flight, non-squawking birds that I can't see are a much bigger threat to me than non-squawking gliders that I can barely see.
I wonder how the tone of this thread would change if we had pic's of the glider's wreckage and none of the powered aircraft.
A German F-4 pilot once told me,"just see and avoid, it's the only thing that works every time."
Strangely, the older I get, the more that makes sense.
09-12-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
In light of some of the previous posts, A transponder is required by the regs above 10,000 MSL excluding airspace below 2,500 AGL. There is also the O2 requirement that these guys probably don't obey, or maybe they get waivers for that.
Contrary to your ignorant remarks, most glider pilots follow the rules (as much or more than powered pilots do). I know. I have flown with many of each kind. Gliders have the right of way. But we do not fly like we have the right of way! We are like a pedestrian crossing a busy street with cars. Sure, we have the right of way. But what good is a right of way if we are hit and killed. I know I have personally turned out of a thermal to avoid traffic before.
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