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Old 01-10-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 303flyboy View Post
At the end of the day a top fo will make 180k a year plus 15% and a Capt 270 + 15%. I had my own reasons for voting no, FO / Capt pay year 3-10 pay being one of them. I look at hour for hour. Don’t event want to think about flying 93 hour lines.

Also inc came to us because they needed something done. Not because they decided to play nice and certainly no thanks to the NMB. This being said at the end of the day people are free to leave and for me I’m happy my qol is good with a good paycheck. I certainly won’t have anything against yes voter as each and everyone their situation, perspectives and stories are different than mine.

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Point taken but it'll be 3+ years from now before anyone is getting x + (x *.15).
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:56 PM
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Hold up, management can put cameras in the cockpit? WTF

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-Unlimited reassignment language except on the last leg. They have to start paying after 3 hours late from the original release time.
-Positive Telephone Contact language that requires the pilot to call scheduling within 15 minutes after block in, every leg, to see if they have been reassigned, and yes this for line holders. If you use your phone you can check an app for the leg-by-leg reassignment notifications.
- Just below Spirit pay rates.
-5 year duration.
-$2 an hour per diem.
-12% DC
-5 hours per vacation day.
-Working spouse surcharge medical insurance and children surcharges.
-8k max 2 year LTD (no own occupation).
-Yet to be arbitrated PBS.
-Company can put cameras in the cockpit.
-1.25% pay for the imaginary amount of credit over 82 hours we're all going to get. This was sold as a benefit so the *****s/fpl guys can keep on keepin' on.
-Speaking of that, I guess FPL is going to be the only truly pay protected conflict bidding left. I'm really glad those guys got to keep that. They should really be able to crank out a lot of +82.

Does this about cover it?
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:39 PM
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I. FLIGHT DATA
1. Definitions for the purposes of this Section:
a. “Flight Information Recorder” or “FIR” means any device, equipment or system on the aircraft that transmits, records and/or collects flight data, audio or video data or any other electronic record. These devices include, but are not limited to, Flight Data Recorders, Cockpit Voice Recorders, and Cockpit Video Recorders.


It was in the last one, its still in this one.
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:35 PM
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Congrats to F9. Mad respect to all your pilots for fighting the fight for so many years. Great pilot group.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary et al View Post
I. FLIGHT DATA
1. Definitions for the purposes of this Section:
a. “Flight Information Recorder” or “FIR” means any device, equipment or system on the aircraft that transmits, records and/or collects flight data, audio or video data or any other electronic record. These devices include, but are not limited to, Flight Data Recorders, Cockpit Voice Recorders, and Cockpit Video Recorders.


It was in the last one, its still in this one.
I think it’s noteworthy that ALPA signed off on it. Then again, they signed off on the reassignment/ptc concessions in spite of ALPA/APA/SWAPA fighting against this very thing.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson View Post
I think it’s noteworthy that ALPA signed off on it. Then again, they signed off on the reassignment/ptc concessions in spite of ALPA/APA/SWAPA fighting against this very thing.
ALPA didn't sign off on anything. Frontier's MEC signed off on it. ALPA or FAPA doesn't mean much when the MEC is the one making the decisions and sending a NC to negotiate.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson View Post
-Unlimited reassignment language except on the last leg. They have to start paying after 3 hours late from the original release time.
-Positive Telephone Contact language that requires the pilot to call scheduling within 15 minutes after block in, every leg, to see if they have been reassigned, and yes this for line holders. If you use your phone you can check an app for the leg-by-leg reassignment notifications.
- Just below Spirit pay rates.
-5 year duration.
-$2 an hour per diem.
-12% DC
-5 hours per vacation day.
-Working spouse surcharge medical insurance and children surcharges.
-8k max 2 year LTD (no own occupation).
-Yet to be arbitrated PBS.
-Company can put cameras in the cockpit.
-1.25% pay for the imaginary amount of credit over 82 hours we're all going to get. This was sold as a benefit so the *****s/fpl guys can keep on keepin' on.
-Speaking of that, I guess FPL is going to be the only truly pay protected conflict bidding left. I'm really glad those guys got to keep that. They should really be able to crank out a lot of +82.

Does this about cover it?
I hope you’re joking.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:25 PM
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He’s not joking, just either mistaken or trolling. The language does require us to respond to notifications once during the 15 minute period after block in and once again during the 30 minute period prior to the next departure. It does not require us to call scheduling every leg.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver View Post
He’s not joking, just either mistaken or trolling. The language does require us to respond to notifications once during the 15 minute period after block in and once again during the 30 minute period prior to the next departure. It does not require us to call scheduling every leg.
It absolutely does if you choose not opt-in for electronic notifications. But there is one additional option to go check your schedule on a company computer before/after every leg.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde View Post
It absolutely does if you choose not opt-in for electronic notifications. But there is one additional option to go check your schedule on a company computer before/after every leg.
Correct.

The bottom line is that you must continually check your schedule.

I guess you could not do so after a leg and wait until your name isn't on the release for the next let (and/or the next pilot/crew comes down the jetway).

Is this an inconvenience? Yes, I'd say so but not much really. The company could switch me to a new leg after EVERY leg and I'd just collect my bag and iPad and climb out of the seat. I really don't expect it to be too much of a pain. My main gripe with it was that we got nothing for this convenience. In fact, similar language is in Spirit's TA but their compensation for during trip schedule changes is greater IMO.

Water under the bridge at this point...
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