Frontier Negotiations Discussion
12-07-2018, 01:30 AM
#4061
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Originally Posted by CAandLookin
I don't have a dog in this fight other than a fellow pilot, but this mindset here is exactly why subpar wages in this biz are allowed to happen. Way to keep us down big guy, but hey, you'll get yours wont you...smdh
I can assure you that not a single person here gives 2 sh!ts what you think of our contract. This is our fight, our decision. Go do whatever it is you do, and kindly mind your own business.
12-07-2018, 02:49 AM
#4062
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Originally Posted by MCDUie
I was waiting for the full language while leaning no, I’m now a hard no.
Vacation expandable up to 9 days, the ability for scheduling to reassign you during the footprint of your trip. Only pays time and a half if it exceeds your footprint by more than 3 hours. Lost medium call, gained longer stretches of being on call. “Average” min “duty-period” is about as weak as it gets. I don’t see many instances where the 3.5 trip rig wouldn’t already cover that.
To be fair we made gains in some areas but nothing that really stood out as industry leading. We gave the company a lot more flexibility in several areas also. Overall I’m disappointed with this TA and hope we get another crack at it.
Vacation expandable up to 9 days, the ability for scheduling to reassign you during the footprint of your trip. Only pays time and a half if it exceeds your footprint by more than 3 hours. Lost medium call, gained longer stretches of being on call. “Average” min “duty-period” is about as weak as it gets. I don’t see many instances where the 3.5 trip rig wouldn’t already cover that.
To be fair we made gains in some areas but nothing that really stood out as industry leading. We gave the company a lot more flexibility in several areas also. Overall I’m disappointed with this TA and hope we get another crack at it.
12-07-2018, 04:40 AM
#4063
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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker
Us? Keep us down? Don't you work at some regional? If so, way to keep us down big guy.
I can assure you that not a single person here gives 2 sh!ts what you think of our contract. This is our fight, our decision. Go do whatever it is you do, and kindly mind your own business.
I can assure you that not a single person here gives 2 sh!ts what you think of our contract. This is our fight, our decision. Go do whatever it is you do, and kindly mind your own business.
12-07-2018, 04:45 AM
#4064
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Originally Posted by Harry Canyon
Wrong. What he said was spot on. And people like you need to hear it. You know what they say, the more ticked off you get about something someone says to you, the closer to the truth it likely was.
12-07-2018, 04:52 AM
#4065
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Originally Posted by butthert
Then why have you worked at frontier for over a decade?
It's this little-known consideration in the airline industry called "seniority." It's hard to give up and it messes with the mind, man.
Plus, maybe he believed the union emails throughout the last 2.5 years and didn't think they were going to present him with such an overwhelmingly unacceptable TA.
12-07-2018, 05:15 AM
#4067
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
I don't think you understand what PBS is. PBS has nothing to do with pairing creation. Pairings get loaded into the software which then seeks to allocate them among pilots according to pilot preferences in seniority order.
That being said, what stops the company from doing any of those things to our pairings right now? Why wait until PBS?
That being said, what stops the company from doing any of those things to our pairings right now? Why wait until PBS?
Right now, the company makes the sequences and the u ion makes the lines. PBS will do both in that the sequences will be constructed according to parameters set within the programming. Yes?
If so, then whatever the programming allows (or is constrained to) will occur more often.
12-07-2018, 05:15 AM
#4068
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Originally Posted by butthert
Then why have you worked at frontier for over a decade?
How much does being a social media plant pay these days? They should get their money back. You’re not very convincing.
This pilot group does have a reputation for being managements best friend, (which they are about to reaffirm in spectacular fashion to every other professional pilot in the business) but Ive never met anyone in our cockpits that is as bad as you and your posts.
12-07-2018, 05:22 AM
#4070
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Originally Posted by butthert
Then why have you worked at frontier for over a decade?
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
It's this little-known consideration in the airline industry called "seniority." It's hard to give up and it messes with the mind, man.
Plus, maybe he believed the union emails throughout the last 2.5 years and didn't think they were going to present him with such an overwhelmingly unacceptable TA.
Plus, maybe he believed the union emails throughout the last 2.5 years and didn't think they were going to present him with such an overwhelmingly unacceptable TA.
Sniff out the crap people, this TA is not good enough and we have management trolls on here trying to push it through. This is not a good deal for us. Its a raise, but we will loose in several other places.
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