Frontier Negotiations Discussion
01-09-2019, 06:43 AM
#4521
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Bus CA
Posts: 658
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
This TA might see one decent year before PBS implementation, but after that, being any measurable amount over 82 hours per month, month after month, will be a fantasy unless you're an FPL guy. PBS will ensure that. We'll be working more days to get to 82, leaving less days off to work more for that imaginary (effective) pay scale.
Good thing we'll only have 7 more years to go until the next attempt.
Good thing we'll only have 7 more years to go until the next attempt.
Ratification bonus and longevity pay raises aside, I think we’ll see a great deal of pilots taking in less money in 2020 than in 2019. The 2% YOY contract pay step from ‘19 to ‘20 will not come close to offsetting the loss of vacation drops and training conflicts (I won’t even get into transition conflicts).
01-09-2019, 06:43 AM
#4522
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 227
Originally Posted by I like BIG Bus
wait till most of those that jumped to sell out for PBS figure out that their figuring of $240,000 a year turns out to be around only $13,000 a month after taxes and other deductions so only around $156,000 take home...YMMV bigger paycheck=bigger percentages. Your ALPA dues will be around $400 a month. Not complaining or anything just reminding those of you who used the confusinator calculator to make your decision probably didn’t take into account the actual take home pay... therefore your huge numbers that you think you’ll be missing out on are much lower. Just food for thought...Happy voting.
100% NO!!!
100% NO!!!
01-09-2019, 07:06 AM
#4523
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
Originally Posted by Planepirate
Yeah! What he said! You guys should vote no and negotiate no taxes! Just like Delta has!!!
01-09-2019, 07:09 AM
#4524
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 126
Originally Posted by SFA320
Yeah it’s the only way to do it!!! Heck we should be negotiating a pay cut so we can decrease our tax liability. I mean who wants to move up a bracket!?
01-09-2019, 09:56 AM
#4525
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by CGLimits
Except that PBS doesn’t build pairings. That has been covered many times already. So nice try. I doubt our pairings will change significantly from the way they are built now.
The blind, ignorant to the past gullibility is straight up impressive.
01-09-2019, 10:04 AM
#4526
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 268
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
Nice, an “I doubt guy.” Proudly vote yes along side your “we don’t believe the company...” union.
The blind, ignorant to the past gullibility is straight up impressive.
The blind, ignorant to the past gullibility is straight up impressive.
01-09-2019, 11:09 AM
#4527
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue
Enjoy your pay raise. Glad to have had you here sharing your loving attitude with the rest of us.
The only will that the pilot group has is the complete willingness to be imposed upon. It’s fine. I can’t wait for the losing battle to be over with either. But no, I don’t love it, and the industry bottom is not where I’m going to invest anymore of my career.
Again, it’s not personal. The union failed to deliver an industry average TA. They flew INC while the company bargained in bad faith. They brought us sub-prime-everything AND pbs, and they added proposterous PTC language that no one else has, and unlimited reassignment authority to go along with their new pbs staffing levels.
The sadly hilarious thing is that the qol CONCESSIONS that the MEC INCorporated is bringing us are actively being fought by other represented pilot groups!
So, what can I do but laugh at the shame, cash in on some more money in the meantime, and keep trying to get a nod from a respectable carrier.
P.s. $2 per diem.
P.s.s. If I’m wrong about all of this and still here to know I was wrong (look how it’s gone though..., how could I be) I’ll do more than more eat my words. But i think if you’re waiting for PBS to hear more good news you shouldn’t hold your breath.
01-09-2019, 01:40 PM
#4528
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 104
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
There’s nothing to love about this private equity cesspool and it’s INC flying MEC.
The only will that the pilot group has is the complete willingness to be imposed upon. It’s fine. I can’t wait for the losing battle to be over with either. But no, I don’t love it, and the industry bottom is not where I’m going to invest anymore of my career.
Again, it’s not personal. The union failed to deliver an industry average TA. They flew INC while the company bargained in bad faith. They brought us sub-prime-everything AND pbs, and they added proposterous PTC language that no one else has, and unlimited reassignment authority to go along with their new pbs staffing levels.
The sadly hilarious thing is that the qol CONCESSIONS that the MEC INCorporated is bringing us are actively being fought by other represented pilot groups!
So, what can I do but laugh at the shame, cash in on some more money in the meantime, and keep trying to get a nod from a respectable carrier.
P.s. $2 per diem.
P.s.s. If I’m wrong about all of this and still here to know I was wrong (look how it’s gone though..., how could I be) I’ll do more than more eat my words. But i think if you’re waiting for PBS to hear more good news you shouldn’t hold your breath.
The only will that the pilot group has is the complete willingness to be imposed upon. It’s fine. I can’t wait for the losing battle to be over with either. But no, I don’t love it, and the industry bottom is not where I’m going to invest anymore of my career.
Again, it’s not personal. The union failed to deliver an industry average TA. They flew INC while the company bargained in bad faith. They brought us sub-prime-everything AND pbs, and they added proposterous PTC language that no one else has, and unlimited reassignment authority to go along with their new pbs staffing levels.
The sadly hilarious thing is that the qol CONCESSIONS that the MEC INCorporated is bringing us are actively being fought by other represented pilot groups!
So, what can I do but laugh at the shame, cash in on some more money in the meantime, and keep trying to get a nod from a respectable carrier.
P.s. $2 per diem.
P.s.s. If I’m wrong about all of this and still here to know I was wrong (look how it’s gone though..., how could I be) I’ll do more than more eat my words. But i think if you’re waiting for PBS to hear more good news you shouldn’t hold your breath.
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