Originally Posted by PowerMan

Exactly right.

“The fight” I witnessed involved the Vice Chair leading the INC pickup, a member of the NC stalking a probationary pilot on FB because he spoke out against the crap already TAd and then serving him up to management over sick calls (he was terminated).
I guess if your idea of “The fight” is wearing ridiculous orange lanyards and stabbing your fellow pilots in the back all to accept the laughing stock TA, then yeah, I was there for most of that.

Originally Posted by wt93205

So yes I went from an airline that turned to garbage to one I know will be better. There were a lot of airlines in negotiations when I came to Frontier and we were not as far behind at the time. I came to Frontier knowing the pilot group is great, will stand strong, and won't be a sellout when it comes to negotiations. They know what they are worth. It is called experience and they have already realized the kool aid is spiked. You do realize we are still in a post bankruptcy contract right? So compare your new TA to the rest and you won't be so thrilled. That is why our MEC raised our ask recently and even listened to our complaints about LTD. We were very vocal about the ask not being good enough even with our one of a kind scheduling system. We have been very vocal we don't want PBS. I had hoped Spirit would have voted it down and stood strong for better because you were holding the cards and Spirit wanted to grow so they needed the new TA to attract pilots. This was also the best economy in probably forever. You got desperate. You showed your cards just to get an ugly carrot. You could of had a much better one. However, just look at industry average now. Spirit is at the bottom of the new TA's other then Allegiant. This is why I was so disappointed in Spirit pilots and still am. I have faith in F9's pilot group. They will not be pushed around even by Indigo. That is why we voted 100 percent to go on strike if allowed. That is why the MEC didn't agree to the new Spirit rates -7 percent 6 months ago. Probably would have made more with our vacation slides but we knew that was not acceptable. So why are you on here? I think you just need validation you are not at the bottom like Allegiant. If you voted no you should be complaining to your pilot group not ours. I have no hard feelings toward you for coming at me, but I do not agree with your TA payrates and never will. You could have done better. This was the time to do it. You have good parts in it but you will have much ground to make up years from now which I doubt will happen at this point. I just wish you had fought harder. Peace.

Originally Posted by BugsBunny

Be sure of your “yes” vote with the ambiguous language and rates in your potential “new” contract. Many of the Spirit guys who voted yes are feeling buyers remorse and now think they should have held out for a better deal. Just saying............

Originally Posted by Mugatu

So in summation:

1) Yes voters compare this TA with the old contract.

2) No voters compare this TA with current market.

Not that it matters as most have already voted.

Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson

Yes voters also have the unbiased yet totally biased calculator of D00M.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver

DOOMed to be abused by the whims of the company, etc etc.

Originally Posted by Gary et al

How quick a wiff of cash makes those forget about the previous years.

Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue

How the previous years can make you forget that good times can be hard here. Take off your tin foil!

Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue

good times can be hard here.

Originally Posted by dracir1

Lmao!!!!!

It doesn’t get any more poetic...