That comment, on THAT post really makes no sense. Everything he is saying is correct. Company man? You must be a charm to fly with.

Then why are you still at F9?

I haven't received a phone call yet. Until I do I will try to make this a better place.

Perfect! I will do the same.



How many times a week do we need to be reminded that F9 sucks? We already know it does! Even when we do get a contract, this place will always suck with this management team.


I agree with ClearCreek here: "The schedules suck, work rules suck, management hates you. Senior captains who think they are making hay smugly pick up open time for FO rates at other companies. State your excuses".


Until we have a full TA in our hands to read(not snipets) I will wait to pass judgement. Our lanyards say, "Bringing Frontier Pilots Into The Pattern". What does that mean to you? Being the highest paid pilots, being the lowest paid pilots or being somewhere in the middle? Give the NC the chance to bring us into the pattern. Until then to listening to ClearCreek spew off saying, "The TA is going to be garbage and it’s going to pass", is bogus!

I'd say that question has already been answered judging by the items the NC has already TA'd with the company, and it's dead last.

If every section TA’d is below industry standard are they really doing their jobs?

Those things were TA'd when the goal was that playing nice to get released. That's off the table. Nothing is agreed upon until it passes a vote by us.

There you go! Exactly! Last time I checked, the NC consisted of Frontier pilots, one of which has quite the reputation for being rather militant and not in the business of doing the Company any favors. Like us, they too will have the pleasure of working under the contract they negotiated so I am fairly confident they don't prefer to sell themselves short either. On top of that, the NC works for the MEC. Nothing they agree to in negotiations was agreed to without considerable debate, discussion with the MEC who you all voted for. Not talking about the Chairman, Vice-Chairman or Sec/Treas. The decision makers are your CA and FO reps in the various domiciles who make up the voting members of the MEC.

That all being said, do you think any of those people truly want to bring a POS TA to the pilot group for a vote? Something that is so obviously flawed that it is destined to fail? And the failure would be considered a vote of no confidence against the MEC and NC whose members would likely be forced out or resign having put their support behind such a POS TA? HELL NO!

On the flip side, do you think the Company will ever agree to a deal that is so obviously favorable to the pilots that it is ratified 100%-0%? only a Pilidiot would expect that. The requirements of a favorable TA to Pilots is one with all the bells, whistles and dollars that would achieve a 100% ratification. The Company will be seeking a deal that falls in line with a 51%-49% approval rate amongst pilots, meaning they didn't over pay. The true fight for the union is to achieve a result that moves that 51% closer to 100% (75%-80% would be a win).

OVERALL ECONOMIC VALUE of the TA is what it should ultimately be judged by. No one will know what that all encompassing economic value is until there is a finished deal to review and roadshows explaining where the value lays.

All true.......however, the time line, I predict, is the distant future.....2020 or beyond :(

With all these planes coming on line this year and the next, pilots leaving F9 and not getting the numbers to fill classes, something is going to have to give sooner than later? So if it is the distant future, will F9 be able to run their airline with the short staffing levels that we have already?