and finally, not that I would ever suggest anything remotely resembling an illegal work action, Frontier would currently require 116 additional pilots on the list in order to cover the flying if our pilots were working an average of 75 credit hours per month (70.1 BLOCK based on the Nov. bid packet). That's 6+ months of classes at the rate the Company is currently attracting pilots.

We are our own worst enemy!

Our wounds and crutches won’t let that happen......

Can we stop using help and NMB together? They are the cause of this situation.

I think that everyone needs to question if the MEC and NC are really listening to this pilot group. It is my opinion, the MEC and NC have gone rogue. If you have attend any union function it becomes obvious. Their answers to questions are canned. They take very little input from the pilots at these events, and why is that? It is because those in the MEC and NC have actually convinced themselves that they are smarter than every other pilot at F9. Have you ever tried to have a conversation with our negotiators? They come across as arrogant, dismissive and smug.

This is so prevalent that our best hope is that this MEC/NC gives us a TA and it gets voted down. It will trigger a complete changing of the MEC and NC positions. I hear story after story of how the Union representation is failing our pilots in Section 13 hearings. The union is in most cases advising the pilot to admit guilt and take their punishment. I know this as fact in a recent case involving a social media post.

Bottom line, are you content with the pace of negotiations? F9 is the only carrier operating under a bankruptcy era contract. The NMB has a very low case load. When, when will our pilots say enough is enough? Does a TRO really hurt us at this point in the game? I have witnessed first hand the apathy exhibited by this pilot group. Guys that talk a mean game but continue to work outside of their contractual obligations because, “it’s last leg home” or “I’ll write it up in Denver”, etc. Pathetic.

If you expect anything positive to come out of this mediation session, you are naive or have not been watching. Calling on every pilot to bury their reps in phone calls, emails and demand answers. They all should be well rested after their week long party in Washington DC (on your dollars). Email ALPA and tell them enough is enough and get our legislative committee to pressure our political allies and get the NMB to act. Kyle F. and our apathy is our problem. She is and should be the target of the campaign.

Where do we go from here?

I would recommend United.

obscenities etched in the aircraft and logbooks at 165/169

How about something productive, like letters explaining how to recall LEC members, phone numbers, addresses, emails to contact the people to make it happen, etc. It's time for the majority to remove the representatives of a vocal, incompetent, uninformed minority.

I'm in upgrade training at UAL and we have a bunch of ex frontier guys in new hire, one with the initials of BH who I believe was a top dog in your training department. Has it really been 8 years since your last industry bottom contract? And what could possibly lead anyone to believe the next F9 contract won’t be a dookie sandwich? We are hiring over 2500 this year alone. Come on over!

No we are not. We won’t come close to 2500.