Aero1900

I think it matters. In fact, I think there's a huge difference in outcome if it fails by 1% or by a significant majority. What it takes to reach TA2 depends on how its voted down

dracir1

Normally I would agree. However...

If the TA fails, we need a new NC. Completely new. Doesn't matter if it takes longer to get to TA2, It will be their job to secure requisite back pay that it took to finally get the deal right. So failing by 1 or 50 or 500 votes won't matter. Out w/ this NC. Period.

I think the TA will fail - I just have too much faith in the older guys who were here priort to Indigo and know what industry leading truly means.

I like BIG Bus

This just makes me sad!!!
Everyone that feels this way should just vote no!!!
Then it's a 90% NO vote!!!
It's pretty simple!!
NO ONE THINKS THIS IS A GOOD DEAL!!

100% NO

ColdWhiskey

This thinking really confounds me? You obviously feel the TA is substandard, or you wouldn’t be willing to ‘absolutely vote NO’.

I encourage you to just vote on the merits of the TA, and be willing to live with the consequences, whatever they may be. You will feel much better about yourself.

dracir1

Ok, couple of things...

So you're voting for whomever you think will win? If you suspect more yes votes, you also vote yes. And vice versa. I'm not sure you understand how VOTING works then.

Second, how are you out $100k if this is voted down? How can you calculate a value based on not knowing when TA2 will be voted in AND what TA2 will consist of. Where did 18 months come from and how do you figure $5555.56 / month loss?

Before, your postings were at least logical. Now, your troll is showing...

Trowserchilli

By using the calculator provided by one of our crew members.
The one that can’t calculate any gains made besides increases in pay and retirement.
When that calculator came out it sent everyone running for the hills scared of what they might lose according to the calculator.

therapysession

One time offer! I'll pay your 1 year pay loss until TA2 if you agree to pay me the difference between the two for the remainder of my career. Any takers?

Aero1900

This may come as a shock to you BigBus, but outside of the "echo chamber of No", otherwise known as APC, a lot of guys are satisfied enough to vote yes. Don't forget that even though there are shortcomings, this TA offers substantial improvements over our current contract. Lots of people are voting yes. I believe a solid majority.

I like BIG Bus

Only because everyone thinks it's over and we lost!! Might as well just vote it in!!

This pilot group voted 100% to go on strike! We can get to a 90% NO!

Worst thing that can happen is a Mesa 51% and everyone saying afterwards man I shoulda voted NO!

Look at this as if it were someone else voting it in and you'd tell them don't do it!!

100% NO

Aero1900

I'm not a troll. I believe what I'm posting.

Let me try to explain a different way. I apologize if I've been confusing.

I'm voting yes because I believe that delaying our raise will likely cost us more money than we would recoup by delaying our raise as we wait for another deal. I want this to pass. I want to a 50% pay raise next month and not a 53% pay raise in 14 months from now. (Obviously just a guess!)

I believe that a significant amount of time will pass before another deal can be reached. I base this belief on past precedent. If you average how long it took to get a 2nd TA from the last 2 contracts that were voted down, its 14 months. (SW & DL)

In that 14 months, I would not make an additional $55,000 in salary plus $11,000 in retirement contributions. That's a $65,000 hole that I would need to dig out of by TA2. That would require some very substantial improvements in the second deal. That's roughly a $15/ hour increase. The thing is, I don't see that happening. Honestly, do you really believe we can achieve that significant of a gain? If this TA is the best the NC could muster, to believe they can get us a $15/ hour increase just seems delusional to me.

I could be wrong, but my guess is we would see half that gain in which case voting no costs me. It's just math.

This brings me to my second point. If this is voted down by a small margin, the company only needs to add a few bucks to the deal to then achieve a passing vote. That is not a good scenario for us. The delay is not worth a few bucks.

If, however I thought this deal would be voted down strongly, I would then vote no to help our chances in achieving the significant gains necessary to reach a satisfactory second deal.

I stand by what I'm saying. This TA being voted down by a tiny margin is the worst case scenario. It either needs to go down in flames (which it wont) or it should pass and we take the raise asap.

Im not trolling here. I really want what's best for all of us. What benefits me, benefits you too. I think too many people who read this forum are convinced that this is going to be voted down because of the echo chamber of No vote guys on here. I believe this TA will pass.