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Old 06-24-2012, 09:39 AM
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It seems like everyday I get more proof that the Regional airlines are creating their own Pilot shortage. With FO pay so low nobody can justify becoming an airline pilot anymore.

Just the other day my buddy told me he has no motivation to become an airline pilot since it would require him to take a pay cut possibly for the next 6-10 years before he starts making the money he's making now $72,000+ a year. It would also take time away from his side business of fixing up old cars and selling them.

What makes this even more mind blowing to me is that it won't cost him any money for flight training since he has Post 9/11 VA benefits that pay 100% of the flight training to become a Commercial pilot.

He can become a commercial pilot for free and still won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I have a couple of other friends and former coworkers that have quit the business altogether, but I guess the bright side to that is 3 less resumes on the hiring manger's desk that I have to compete against.
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It seems like everyday I get more proof that the Regional airlines are creating their own Pilot shortage. With FO pay so low nobody can justify becoming an airline pilot anymore.

Just the other day my buddy told me he has no motivation to become an airline pilot since it would require him to take a pay cut possibly for the next 6-10 years before he starts making the money he's making now $72,000+ a year. It would also take time away from his side business of fixing up old cars and selling them.

What makes this even more mind blowing to me is that it won't cost him any money for flight training since he has Post 9/11 VA benefits that pay 100% of the flight training to become a Commercial pilot.

He can become a commercial pilot for free and still won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I have a couple of other friends and former coworkers that have quit the business altogether, but I guess the bright side to that is 3 less resumes on the hiring manger's desk that I have to compete against.
yet you're applying?
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I think some of the properties are going to have major issues once all their F/O's get their ATPs. I know at PDT a year from now they are going to have a very serious staffing problem. Once ATP'd they will leave in droves for the legacies, cargo and fractionals.
 
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yet you're applying?
I'm a Pilot I can't justify doing anything else. I guess that's why i'm still here.
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It seems like everyday I get more proof that the Regional airlines are creating their own Pilot shortage. With FO pay so low nobody can justify becoming an airline pilot anymore.

Just the other day my buddy told me he has no motivation to become an airline pilot since it would require him to take a pay cut possibly for the next 6-10 years before he starts making the money he's making now $72,000+ a year. It would also take time away from his side business of fixing up old cars and selling them.

What makes this even more mind blowing to me is that it won't cost him any money for flight training since he has Post 9/11 VA benefits that pay 100% of the flight training to become a Commercial pilot.

He can become a commercial pilot for free and still won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I have a couple of other friends and former coworkers that have quit the business altogether, but I guess the bright side to that is 3 less resumes on the hiring manger's desk that I have to compete against.
No Shortage is on the horizon...IMHO...I think the airlines will get relief from the Aug 2013 deadline. Business is business...the gov't will not let an artificial shortage happen in one of our most important forms of transportation. Low pay has never stopped pilots from applying and accepting low ball offers. Management has long figured out that pilots love to fly and will accept just about any working conditions and abuse in order to their SJS fix.
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I think some of the properties are going to have major issues once all their F/O's get their ATPs. I know at PDT a year from now they are going to have a very serious staffing problem. Once ATP'd they will leave in droves for the legacies, cargo and fractionals.
Will PDT be around in a year from now?
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No Shortage is on the horizon...IMHO...I think the airlines will get relief from the Aug 2013 deadline. Business is business...the gov't will not let an artificial shortage happen in one of our most important forms of transportation. Low pay has never stopped pilots from applying and accepting low ball offers. Management has long figured out that pilots love to fly and will accept just about any working conditions and abuse in order to their SJS fix.
There's only so many pilots that are like that. This recession has shaken out the weak hands now. The only one's that are left, are the ones that are not as desperate and will not accept low ball offers in any working conditions. Some of them that are left are comfortable where they are at, and need more incentives to leave their job now besides experience.
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The main point i'm trying to make is that the career hoppers are not interested anymore, even when the transition to become a pilot is free training. That says alot to me.
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It seems like everyday I get more proof that the Regional airlines are creating their own Pilot shortage. With FO pay so low nobody can justify becoming an airline pilot anymore.

Just the other day my buddy told me he has no motivation to become an airline pilot since it would require him to take a pay cut possibly for the next 6-10 years before he starts making the money he's making now $72,000+ a year. It would also take time away from his side business of fixing up old cars and selling them.

What makes this even more mind blowing to me is that it won't cost him any money for flight training since he has Post 9/11 VA benefits that pay 100% of the flight training to become a Commercial pilot.

He can become a commercial pilot for free and still won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I have a couple of other friends and former coworkers that have quit the business altogether, but I guess the bright side to that is 3 less resumes on the hiring manger's desk that I have to compete against.
I believe you are right on so many levels... After being in the industry for about 5 years now, I am actively looking to get out. I never thought I would say that, but I've watched lots of good, well-trained, professional pilots walk away from the industry and take jobs outside of aviation. It's sad really. Lots of amazing pilots are being forced out of the business and will never return due to the extreme mismanagement of regional and mainline carriers. And the public doesn't know or realize this. US pilots are going to foreign carriers to have better careers, and by doing so strengthen markets for other countries. The US aviation industry will not be able to compete with other countries.
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yet you're applying?
I'm a Pilot I can't justify doing anything else. I guess that's why i'm still here.
Haha...and the spiral continues
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