Positives and Negatives
12-13-2018, 05:24 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by Biffsteritis
Yes, SWA has something very similar. They often get “reassigned” at the end of a trip to cover a turn.
Pass on that. Maybe if we were compensated like SWA it might be more pallitable.
Pass on that. Maybe if we were compensated like SWA it might be more pallitable.
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12-13-2018, 05:37 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by sMFer
At SW, any reassignment on a trip getting in later than originally scheduled is paid at premium. Any subsequent days that are moved up (usually an earlier DH to meet up with original trip) is paid at premium for entire day.
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12-13-2018, 05:41 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
They can’t extend you outside the footprint of your original release either...
Originally Posted by Patternholder
Alaska, JetBlue and United all get 5 hours min duty per day “averaged” by the number of duty periods of the trip. Spirit’s language says “Four and one-half hours per duty period for the entire trip”.
American gets 5:15 per calendar day that flys through 2am “averaged” as well
Not sure about the rest but looks to be pretty standard in the industry
American gets 5:15 per calendar day that flys through 2am “averaged” as well
Not sure about the rest but looks to be pretty standard in the industry
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12-13-2018, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Alaska, JetBlue and United all get 5 hours min duty per day “averaged” by the number of duty periods of the trip. Spirit’s language says “Four and one-half hours per duty period for the entire trip”.
American gets 5:15 per calendar day that flys through 2am “averaged” as well
Not sure about the rest but looks to be pretty standard in the industry
American gets 5:15 per calendar day that flys through 2am “averaged” as well
Not sure about the rest but looks to be pretty standard in the industry
12-13-2018, 09:24 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway
There is a huge difference between average min duty period and average calendar day. Apples and oranges.
12-14-2018, 04:08 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Key word being “average”! The OP was upset about that...but please enlighten us on the difference!
Base : DEN (CA01FO01)
WE 681 DEN-SEA 1050 1302 312 100
WE 140 SEA-DEN 1402 1743 241 209 321
WE 122 DEN-DFW 1952 2246 154
D-END: 2301L REPT: 0500L FDP: 1156 FDPLim: 1300 TBD 720-374-4540
FR 129 DFW-DEN 0545 0704 219 320 219 0 219 319 D-END: 0719L FDP: 0304 FDPLim: 1000 ----------------------- TOTALS BLK 1006 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 202 CDT 1208 T.A.F.B. 4529 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ================
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here’s a good example from the Denver bid package in January. This is a 3 day trip with 2 duty periods. Assuming the same average 5 hours for both duty and calendar day, the average duty period guarantees 10 hours minimum for the trip while the average calendar day guarantees 15.
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation. We don’t have that.
Personally I would have liked to see either average min day or a hard min duty. Average min duty is not very useful for us and will cost the company very little. I hope we didn’t give anything significant up to get it.
12-14-2018, 05:10 AM
#147
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway
D3338
Base : DEN (CA01FO01)
WE 681 DEN-SEA 1050 1302 312 100
WE 140 SEA-DEN 1402 1743 241 209 321
WE 122 DEN-DFW 1952 2246 154
D-END: 2301L REPT: 0500L FDP: 1156 FDPLim: 1300 TBD 720-374-4540
FR 129 DFW-DEN 0545 0704 219 320 219 0 219 319 D-END: 0719L FDP: 0304 FDPLim: 1000 ----------------------- TOTALS BLK 1006 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 202 CDT 1208 T.A.F.B. 4529 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ================
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here’s a good example from the Denver bid package in January. This is a 3 day trip with 2 duty periods. Assuming the same average 5 hours for both duty and calendar day, the average duty period guarantees 10 hours minimum for the trip while the average calendar day guarantees 15.
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation. We don’t have that.
Personally I would have liked to see either average min day or a hard min duty. Average min duty is not very useful for us and will cost the company very little. I hope we didn’t give anything significant up to get it.
Base : DEN (CA01FO01)
WE 681 DEN-SEA 1050 1302 312 100
WE 140 SEA-DEN 1402 1743 241 209 321
WE 122 DEN-DFW 1952 2246 154
D-END: 2301L REPT: 0500L FDP: 1156 FDPLim: 1300 TBD 720-374-4540
FR 129 DFW-DEN 0545 0704 219 320 219 0 219 319 D-END: 0719L FDP: 0304 FDPLim: 1000 ----------------------- TOTALS BLK 1006 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 202 CDT 1208 T.A.F.B. 4529 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ================
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here’s a good example from the Denver bid package in January. This is a 3 day trip with 2 duty periods. Assuming the same average 5 hours for both duty and calendar day, the average duty period guarantees 10 hours minimum for the trip while the average calendar day guarantees 15.
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation. We don’t have that.
Personally I would have liked to see either average min day or a hard min duty. Average min duty is not very useful for us and will cost the company very little. I hope we didn’t give anything significant up to get it.
This isn’t it.
12-14-2018, 07:53 AM
#148
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway
D3338
Base : DEN (CA01FO01)
WE 681 DEN-SEA 1050 1302 312 100
WE 140 SEA-DEN 1402 1743 241 209 321
WE 122 DEN-DFW 1952 2246 154
D-END: 2301L REPT: 0500L FDP: 1156 FDPLim: 1300 TBD 720-374-4540
FR 129 DFW-DEN 0545 0704 219 320 219 0 219 319 D-END: 0719L FDP: 0304 FDPLim: 1000 ----------------------- TOTALS BLK 1006 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 202 CDT 1208 T.A.F.B. 4529 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ================
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here’s a good example from the Denver bid package in January. This is a 3 day trip with 2 duty periods. Assuming the same average 5 hours for both duty and calendar day, the average duty period guarantees 10 hours minimum for the trip while the average calendar day guarantees 15.
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation. We don’t have that.
Personally I would have liked to see either average min day or a hard min duty. Average min duty is not very useful for us and will cost the company very little. I hope we didn’t give anything significant up to get it.
Base : DEN (CA01FO01)
WE 681 DEN-SEA 1050 1302 312 100
WE 140 SEA-DEN 1402 1743 241 209 321
WE 122 DEN-DFW 1952 2246 154
D-END: 2301L REPT: 0500L FDP: 1156 FDPLim: 1300 TBD 720-374-4540
FR 129 DFW-DEN 0545 0704 219 320 219 0 219 319 D-END: 0719L FDP: 0304 FDPLim: 1000 ----------------------- TOTALS BLK 1006 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 202 CDT 1208 T.A.F.B. 4529 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ================
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here’s a good example from the Denver bid package in January. This is a 3 day trip with 2 duty periods. Assuming the same average 5 hours for both duty and calendar day, the average duty period guarantees 10 hours minimum for the trip while the average calendar day guarantees 15.
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation. We don’t have that.
Personally I would have liked to see either average min day or a hard min duty. Average min duty is not very useful for us and will cost the company very little. I hope we didn’t give anything significant up to get it.
The Vegas pairings will see a huge improvement with the new language. Some gaining as much as 4 hours of credit.
12-14-2018, 07:58 AM
#149
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Well at least we retained our ability to split trips. Drop the DFW overnight like everybody else!
The Vegas pairings will see a huge improvement with the new language. Some gaining as much as 4 hours of credit.
The Vegas pairings will see a huge improvement with the new language. Some gaining as much as 4 hours of credit.
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Base : MCO (CA01FO01)
BASE REPT: 2040L
WE 1658 MCO-SJU 2140 0129 249 145 321
TH 1041 SJU-PHL 0314 0625 411 321 700
D-END: 0640L REPT: 2020L FDP: 0945 FDPLim: 1200
TBD 720-374-4540
TH 1042 PHL-SJU 2105 0219 414 321 414
D-END: 0234L REPT: 0314L FDP: 0459 FDPLim: 1200 TBD
0 700 1000 1340 0 414 514 2440 0 316 416
SA 105 SJU-MCO 0359 0615 316 321 316
D-END: 0630L FDP: 0401 FDPLim: 0900 -----------------------
TOTALS BLK 1430 DHD 0 TRIP RIG: 55 CDT 1525 T.A.F.B. 5750 LDGS: 4 ================================================== ============
12-14-2018, 08:00 AM
#150
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway
Even with our new trip rig this trip will only pay 13 hours vs 15 if we’d gotten minimum duty and not average. Under Spirit’s contract this trip pays 13.5 hours as well because the 29 hour overnight creates a virtual duty in the average calculation.
This will pay 15 hours at Spirit once PBS is implemented.
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