Biffsteritis

I’ve had PBS with and without planned abscences.

PBS without planned absences is akin to our current vacation with line bidding. We bid trips that will touch our vacation and we can easily turn one week into two weeks off. I can normally remove about 40-44 hrs of credit.

The TA takes this away.

Here’s the kicker that many are missing with PBS using one week of vacation. Because the system “knows” about the anscence the vacation and our two buffer days are added prior to the build. All the buffer days do is prevent PBS from backing up a trip to touch your vacation, which is great, but these two days ARE UNPAID and count as days off. This is where PBS in our TA language gets really nasty. The solver will then pack on trips to bring you up to the monthly line value. Because you have so little room in your schedule, the trips can get really nasty with very little respect for your presences as the computer goes into denial mode or whatever this system might call it.


I find it pretty funny that we have the known abscence PBS language nailed down, the rest....we’ll worry about that later.

And yes, PBS absolutely could ignore a known vacation abscence.

I hope I’m not the only one willing rob our vacation for this TA.

NWSteeringArmer

Hahaha!!
Touché

But no... it ain’t happening

Xdashdriver

The bold assertion would have been to say you would get a day or two more off than current book, with increased soft credit. Saying you would get same number of days off gives me some wiggle room. 😁

On per Diem and long layover override, I wasn’t at the negotiating table so I can’t tell you all the ins and outs of how it all went down, I’m going off of what the NC has said. If you want more details, they’re more than willing to answer direct questions.

ColdWhiskey

Another negative of this TA:

Medium call reserve is gone. Long call reserve is essentially gone also, because long call reserves can be converted to short call.

V1 McFlyerson

It's a crime to do away with Medium Call Reserve, but the rest of the language is the same.

What did we get for giving away Medium Call Reserve?

Old & Bad
New & More Bad.

Ducttape

This is pretty bad

For reference: Spirit

LCR days may be converted to no more than four (4) SCR RAPs in a bid month without the pilot's con-currence. Conversion to a SCR RAP that spans 0000 LDT is considered a single conversion occurrence. One (1) LCR day may be converted to a single RAP per occurrence (e.g. LCR 18JUN to R19 18JUN= 1 conversion occurrence).

3) Each of the first four (4) conversions in any bid month will be credited one (1) hour above guar-antee. Each subsequent conversion(s) in the month will be credited two (2) hours above guarantee per occurrence.

So Spirit is maxed at 4 conversions, each pay an hour extra pay from the start.

IF the pilot agrees to more conversions, it’s an extra 2 hours per event.

So if I read this correctly; if Frontier converts 6 times is ok, no pilot consent needed and it’s 0 pay. If Spirit converts 6 times, it pays 4 hours for the first 4, and IF the pilot agrees for the last 2, it pays 4 hours more. 8 hours total.

ColdWhiskey

Thank you for that comparison. It is much worse for a Frontier pilot than I realized.

V1 McFlyerson

So why, if the NC/MEC can read, are we voting on this abhorrent p.o.s., again?

V1 McFlyerson

This whole S-Show of a TA needs NUKED.

It’s borderline negligence.

PorkandBeans

A previous post mentions:

"People are just now realizing we don't even have min duty pay of 5 hours a day. It's a min duty average. Spirit has min duty per day AND and an extra 5 hour period for layovers that exceed 24 hours."

I read the section and examples after my jaw dropped in order to confirm my fears. This poster is correct. This is not a 5 hour min duty day, it's a 5 hour min duty day average.

Someone please tell me if this is correct. I have a four day trip and the first day is essentially a reposition flight. I show up at 8pm, fly 1:20 to get into position. So I'm off duty and get to the hotel where I have 12 hours rest. The next three days I fly my butt off, averaging 7 hours per day. so the trip total is 22:20 at the end of the four day. Since I averaged over five hours per day, I do not get paid the 5 hours for showing up the first day? Correct? Where I would get paid 26:20 under a min duty day scheme, I get paid 22:20 because my "average" exceeded 5 hours X 4 days?

Holy Mackerel !!!

If this is true, it is deception to use the term "Min duty day" as it exists with every other airline I know of when the correct term would be "min duty day averaging calculation".

This caveat allows the same behavior on part of scheduling that many people consider a waste of their time for which they will not be compensated.

If this doesn't bother a pilot, that pilot most likely enjoys being at work rather than at home. Tell me I'm wrong, please.